Author: peasantchick

Why are “gatekeepers” of the lg community a bad thing? Lesbian la and gay people have specific issues and need their own spaces

earthmoonlotus:

protect-lgbtqia-kids:

LG community…

Ya know, because those nasty hatekeepers want to keep other specific groups from getting their own needed spaces to talk about their own specific issues and to talk with each other about issues that we all have in common.
Like being hated on by the  Straight TM crowd for not being straight enough for their tastes.

Because hatekeepers readily play into the hands of the Straight TM crowd and divide the community and dissolve power instead of collecting it.
Nothing nicer for the Straight TM crowd than marginalized groups tearing each other apart, is there?

Because those nasty hatekeepers think only their problems count, that they are the only real victims.
That Bi people are ‘fake gay’ and ‘just straight’ or ‘greedy’.
That trans women are predators.
That trans men are only confused women.
That non binary people are fake.
That intersex does not exist, even when it is scientifically proven.
That pan and poly is greedy/bi/not real/cheaters/whatever.
That aspec is only a modifier/are all straight/nonsense/not real/not hated on.

And to top it off, most if not all hatekeepers are also racist and sexist.
They follow the white coloniser view of gender and sex.
 The view of conquerers and killers who destroyed indigenous cultures who dared to not have the same narrow, hatefull view of sex, gender, women and family.

REGs also want to call themselves feminists but readily speak over, and abuse  women who oppose their view, especially WoC.

REGs are also ableist often enough.

And you are showing it off perfectly.

LG community

also, there’s a difference between wanting an exclusive lesbian space or gay space (which is totally fine), and believing that bi people are “basically straight” or that asexuality isn’t really a sexual orientation. Wanting to have spaces where gay men and lesbians can talk about specific issues that affect them, just like wanting to have spaces where bi and/or pan people can talk about their issues, or spaces where ace people can talk about their issues, is way different from telling people of another group that their issues aren’t valid, or that they might as well be straight, or that their identity doesn’t/shouldn’t exist. Most inclusionists are in favor of having spaces within LGBTQIAPN+ communities that are exclusive to people of certain demographics, such as trans people, or bi people, or gay people. The difference is when people tell others that their sexuality doesn’t exist, or isn’t really a sexuality, or that they might as well be straight. That’s going from saying “my identity and issues are important" to saying “all these other identities and issues aren’t important”.

WHY IS GATEKEEPING THE LG COMMUNITY A BAD THING? holy shit terfs can die 🙃

if you think forcing terfs out of online spaces is ‘toxic’, or describe it as a witchhunt, or “just tumblr going overboard again” then kindly get a million miles from me and don’t consider yourself an ally to trans women ever, thanks​

earthmoonlotus:

autismserenity:

Like do people not understand that, if nothing else, when you use TERF arguments on another group, you are strengthening TERFs?? Because when people who agree with you stumble across TERF logic, it’s going to seem reasonable and familiar to them? It’s going to just be building on premises they’ve already accepted?

some examples: “you cannot identify/opt out of privilege” (further reading), “there is an invasion of oppressors coming into our community claiming to be oppressed members of it and They Are The Enemy” (further reading) (especially when you consider that they put as much, if not more energy into attacking those who they perceive as “invaders” as they do against the actual oppressors in question, and they receive hardly any if any backlash from the actual oppressors in question for doing so; if the “invaders” really were members of the oppressor class, you’d think actual members of the oppressor class would get mad at you for attacking the “invaders”, but they hardly ever do, if ever), “all oppression [insert group of people] claims to face is actually misdirected homophobia/misogyny” (including the specific idea that biphobia isn’t real and it’s just homophobia/lesbophobia), “People only have [insert identity/ies] because of internalized homophobia”, mocking/slandering inclusionists as liberals who don’t understand radical anti-oppression theory and class analysis (further reading), especially using the word “kweer” to mock queer people they disagree with, being against the use of the word “queer”, “You just hate lesbians!!!!” (and presuming that it’s necessary to hold their viewpoint in order to be a lesbian / that their viewpoint is the default and/or should be the default for lesbians), identifying with the term “gatekeeper”, claiming that “terf” is a silencing tactic (further reading), claiming that no-platforming is a silencing tactic, claiming that invalidation of personal identity is meaningless (this specifically enables the idea that misgendering isn’t violent),  bonding with right-wingers over hate against people who disagree with you / using arguments originally used by right-wingers, etc.

Keep in mind that this rhetoric is so similar that TERFs have noticed this and used it to their advantage. (source 1, source 2, source 3, source 4, source 5)

Also keep in mind that, while there may be one or two terfs who favor ace inclusion, there are hundreds who are against it. That shouldn’t be a good sign. And non-TERF inclusionists have in the past shown more sympathy towards TERFs than they do towards ace people. (example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4, example 5)

This doesn’t make all ace-exclusionists TERFs, but as the OP was saying, it makes them enablers of TERFs, which is a form of transmisogyny. Also note that, unless you yourself are a trans woman / transfeminine person, you can’t say “but there are trans women on our side!!!” as a way to argue against this, because that’s basically using the “my trans friend agrees with me!!!” argument. You can’t use that as an excuse to say something’s ok when trans women are saying it actively puts them and their sisters in danger.