Tag: lit

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dragon-in-a-fez:

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How do you write healthy parent-child relationships?

this might be more response than you want, but interesting (and kinda depressing when you think about it) fact: there’ve been a bunch of research studies where parents have been asked what they think makes a healthy parent-child relationship, and they tend to like…not answer the actual question because they think they’re being asked what good parenting is, which is not the same. so they talk about things like helping kids with homework and making sure they eat well. children, on the other hand, usually respond to the same question with stuff that’s literally just the definition of healthy relationships generally. affection, honesty, respect, spending time together, sharing interests. and the real kicker is, objectively, we know that’s the kind of stuff that actually has a much better impact not only on whether or not the relationship is strong and positive but also the kid’s overall happiness and psychological health.

so, if you want to write a character who’s really intent on being a Good Parent you’d have them putting massive effort into making their kid Grow Up Right, worrying about shit like if they have The Right Friends and they’re spending Enough Time Outside. but if you want to write a good relationship, just make parent and kid laugh together and respect boundaries and be emotionally supportive, like you would when writing a solid pair of friends or romantic couple.

No that was actually really helpful and I’m glad you took the time to give a serious response

linguisticparadox:

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zagreus:

“if it’s not plot relevant, cut it!!” is such awful writing advice

if JRR Tolkien had cut every bit of Lord of the Rings that wasn’t directly related to the central plot, it would have been just one book long, COLOURLESS and DULL AS DIRT. 

all the little worldbuilding/character details are what draw you in and give the central plot weight, FOOL

The plot is not the same thing as the story.  The plot is the mechanics of how one thing causes another.

Some classic stories have no plot to speak of – the characters just wander from one situation to the next.  Alice in Wonderland and The Wizard of Oz are examples.

Some stories have partial plots, where some things in the story cause other things, but other things come out of the blue and pass away without consequence.  This category includes classics too: Huckleberry Finn, The Wind in the Willows.

Even in stories with a strong plot, sometimes the most iconic moments fall outside that plot.  Think of the No-Man’s-Land scene in Wonder Woman or the dying dinosaur in Jurassic World II.

Ah, but those aren’t classics, I hear someone say.  Well, I disagree in the case of Wonder Woman (although time will tell), but let’s go right to the top of the English canon, Shakespeare’s Hamlet.

What’s the most iconic scene, if you had to pick one to illustrate for the front cover or the playbill poster?  Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, it’s the Yorick skull scene.  What does that have to do with the plot?  Precious little.  It’s just a way to keep Hamlet busy until Ophelia’s funeral arrives.  And even there it’s not very well fit for purpose, because it doesn’t explain why Hamlet is hanging around in a graveyard anyway.

That’s because, tight though the plot of Hamlet is, the story of Hamlet is not reducible to its plot.  Hamlet is a three-hour exploration of death and skulls and murder and corpses and funerals and ghosts and “what dreams may come”.  The plot is just there to drive you around between the features of that mental landscape.

So the question isn’t “Does this serve the plot?”  The question is “Does this help explore the idea that the story is about?”

(Why yes, I have written all this somewhere before.)

One really helpful thing I learned- and I can’t remember if it was from a writing class or a lit class, so I don’t even who to thank for it- is that each scene should move at least two or three aspects of what you’re writing forward.

That can be plot. It can be story.
It can be worldbuilding. It can be theme. It can be character. It can be relationships. It can be any number of things, but it needs to be more than one.

If a scene does nothing but move plot forward, it’s not accomplishing enough to earn its real estate on the page, any more than a scene that just builds character does.

When I look at it not as prioritizing plot, but as not prioritizing any one aspect of the story above all others, it makes it easier for me to figure out what strengthens my writing and what doesn’t, or,at the very least, how to make a scene that’s important to me more useful to the story as a whole.

One thing I remember from my Poetry course specifically was that you should try to recite it back to yourself, and any parts you couldn’t remember well you should consider rewording, because if they didn’t stick in YOUR head as the person who wrote them (and rewrote them, and puzzled over them, and rewrote them again…), they likely weren’t gonna stick in someone else’s head.

This doesn’t work as well for prose pieces longer than a short story obviously, although I guess it depends on the individual person and the individual piece.

For the plot aspect, maybe try to do a quick outline from memory of what happens in the piece (at least in your latest draft) and see if there’s anything you can’t remember clearly or explain in a couple short bullet points.

For the prose aspect, maybe take a section or chapter and try writing or typing it out from memory. Even just a difficult paragraph or passage. Anywhere your brain gets stuck or keeps trying to switch the words around probably needs rewording or deleting.

Worldbuilding…idk, maybe try, without checking your notes, to write out a historical timeline, draw a map, and/or make a list of important characters and places. Anything you might include with the piece or put on a website about it to help readers keep track of everything. Rules of magic, family trees, etc. You might notice stuff that’s confusing (like characters whose names start with the same letter SORRY THAT’S JUST A PET PEEVE AND ALWAYS THROWS ME OFF NEVER HAVE BOTH A MATT AND A MARK AT THE SAME TIME I’M BEGGING YOU) or you might notice places where you’ve neglected info. Maybe take some element (person, place, event, language, song, idk) and list from memory a few ways that element is important/relevant to the world, and which other elements it relates to?

Idk for all the Tolkien I read, worldbuilding isn’t my specialty. You do you I guess.

Consider taking a couple days off working on your piece (mb work on another piece to keep up your work ethic tho) before doing this, so it’s not all fresh in your head. That’s a good thing to do every now and then before an editing session anyway, so you can see it with fresh eyes.

Ofc this is all just spitballing to take that advice from poetry and expand it to prose. Shrug!