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terfmeanslesbian:

clitcheese:

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

what does any of this have to do with trans politics….why are they “”“terfs”“”

because, incidentally, the book is written by terfs? here’s her other wordpress articles, ‘trans women are men, and therefore have the mentality of rapists’ and ‘trans men are self-hating women’ lol? i’m calling her a terf because i have basic reading comprehension.

but i didn’t even talk about trans politics here. i was talking about how fundamentally warped some of your theorists are. here are some quotes, and here’s the whole book online as blog posts. Chapter 3 deals with the spectre of ex-het lesbians, part 2 of chapter 4 deals with how femme lesbians ‘recreate patriarchy’ in their gender expression, and honestly do you agree with any of this shit? have other radfems ever mentioned this book is flawed? that it only serves to make a hierarchy of lesbians? i was under the impression this woman is a pretty influential radfem, do you agree with these theories? lmao do you get that even if trans people didn’t exist, your brand of feminism would still be a reductive pile of shit?

take all the Us Versus the Horrible Transsexuals out of your theories and you’re left with just this kind of holier than thou Gold Star bullshit. honestly god help the self esteem of all the lesbians who get sucked into your politics. you’re left with this radical version of biology where men are biologically evil, where a penis has such a powerful aura that it will discount a woman’s ability to be a lesbian for her entire life. isn’t this straight up the kind of phallocentrism your ideology is meant to be against? because this system focuses on ‘never-het’ women as the most authentic lesbians, who embody a more ‘pure’ version of lesbianhood and womanhood and therefore should earn a privileged space at the centre of lesbian politics, compared to the ‘corrupted’ version of feminsm embodied by lesbians who have ever thought they were straight. “ Once a female has had the experience of being treated as and feeling like a “real woman,” she never loses it.” It’s also written in the book’s introduction also explicitly states that she considers straight and bisexual women to be interchangeable, equally privileged members of an oppressive class of ‘man-lovers’.

You see what this is right? it’s the virgin/slut dichotomy ripped straight from the patriarchy, with no alteration. Touching a dick once in your life apparently lessens the value of your perspective, immediately makes your intentions as a lesbian and even a feminist suspect. it treats patriarchy not as a set of learned ideas and behaviours, but as some kind of permanent, lifelong stain on women’s souls. the author states outright that ‘het privilege’ can never be unlearned. you get that this is lesbophobic, right? just basically, you’re erasing the sexuality of lesbians who come out later in life, outright making them into privileged oppressors? the author likens this to a fucking invasion of lesbian spaces:

’They [Lesbians who have ever dated men] also bring STDs, danger from past husbands or boyfriends stalking them, and dildos and other sado-masochistic sexual practices’,

which are, after all, based on the inequalities and pain in heterosexual/male sex.

this comes from a long passage about how ‘ex-hets’ tend to be more abusive and even less loving than Real Lesbians, caused entirely by past association with men. caused by past what kind of broken ethics system do you need to look through to think this is worth publishing? and, holy shit, i didn’t even start on ‘the patriarchal and oppressive nature of femme lesbians’ because i’ve got no idea where to start there

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

lmao you can’t be a biphobe and call yourself anti-terf. you can’t pick out which parts of terf ideology you like and which parts you don’t. if u are anti-terf u need to know the LGBTI community inherited biphobia directly from second-wave feminism, and u have to be able to pick out their ideology when it appears in more subtle ways than just their outright hate for trans women

lordmadcat:

Let me tell you something crazy about bisexuals

Source: lordmadcat

transkrem:

Bi inclusion now relies on your stance with aces. If you’re an inclusionist, you’re actually a secret straight and biphobia is excusable. If you’re an exclusionist, you’re actually really gay only its not biphobic this time

clitcheese:

clitcheese:

terfs have picked up the rhetoric that the AIDS crisis was /The/ defining moment for the community, and that’s why there’s absolutely no room for ace or aro people in the LGB community, because they weren’t at risk. let that sink in for a moment. The LGB community.

they’re erasing the fact trans women, most especially trans women of colour and sex workers, are still the highest-risk group for HIV.

i’m done. TWERFs can die. SWERFs who want to eradicate sex work before eradicating poverty can die. Ace ‘exclusionists’ giving them more ideas on how to exclude trans women can delete your shit sideblogs now and think real hard about what you’re doing, thanks

Also, a short list of reasons TERFs absolutely love reframing LGBT as SGA:

– it’s framing bi and pan people as a burden on the resources of the True SGAs.
– It frames bi people’s belonging as conditional, they can belong so long as they’re not dating the opposite gender.
– This is what TERFs have been trying to do to bi women forever, framing all sex with men as rape and bi women as gullible idiots who need to become a Properly Gay for their own safety
– it’s framing trans people as hitching a ride onto the SGA community.
– it’s framing straight trans people as the Privileged Invaders.
– It erases the sexualities of nonbinary people without same or similar genders, because they mustn’t really exist, right. if anything, they’re anomalies who don’t really belong.

Reframing the root cause of our oppression as SGA, instead of our /actual identities as an oppressed class/, is completely in line with what TERFs have been doing since the 70s, you gullible fucks. you can write ‘No TERFs’ on your blog as much as you like but it doesn’t stop them reblogging your posts. You need to block each one on sight. TERF blogs are still full of your rhetoric. Stop feeding the monsters.

if TERFs have reblogged your aphobe posts, message them to delete it, publically call them out, spam them, shame them. and if you feel the need to write more posts about excluding aces, think ‘could this idea also be used against trans women, bi people or nonbinary people?’ because it usually will.

@protectlgbtkids the short version is yes. If TERFs agree with something you say then that’s a damn solid reason to sit back and reconsider your stance.

As clearly as I can explain this: The idea that there is a Spectre of very privileged, abusive people wanting to creep into the LGBTI/Queer community has never benefited anyone but TERFs and abusers. That spectre has always had a changing face, and at various points in our history it’s looked like aces, aros, bis, pans, trans women ofc, nonbinaries with *sparkly* genders, nonbinaries with complicated genders, nondysphoric trans people, straight trans people, trans people as a whole, the MOGAIs, people who use the split attraction model. all of these groups have had Big Discourses against them in the last few years, All of them groups explicitly hated by TERFs especially.

peak TERFs will even say the exact same about cis gay men: that they’re abusers, creeps, bringing misogyny into their precious LG community. This is to illustrate the level of Fucked Up we’re dealing with here, they think homophobia doesn’t matter if you have male privilege.

I know that this isn’t a thing anyone outside hardcore TERFs actually believes, and i’m sure as fuck not saying i think exclusionists believe this. but exclusionism does strengthen TERF arguments. say like, if we decide that there shouldn’t be an A at the end of LGBTIA, because aces can be cishet, that means TERFs are justified when they say that we should kick out other groups for being too privileged. As i said, that’s everyone. TERFs define oppression structures so that they’re at the very bottom. here’s a good post by queeranarchism that explains what exclusionists are doing: creating such an Us vs the Cishets mentality that it can be used to justify toxic behaviour. This is, funnily enough, exactly how TERFs have operated since Day 1. TERFs thrive on the idea that excluding people will make a safer space. They posit men, bi women, trans women, aces and anyone who has politics they don’t like (read: mogai and Queer) as people making the world unsafe for young cis lesbians. That’s why every time you make the basic argument that “X group is privileged and undeserving of resources/community/having a voice”, it will always strengthen their arguments.

like. if you want to prove to me that TERFs don’t fucking love exclusionist arguements, go ahead. like, if you find a second inclusionist TERF other than uninucleus i might actually seriously reconsider my stance. but like, every TERF blog i’ve seen in about a year has had shit mocking ace people on their blog. there’s blocklists going around with hundreds and hundreds of TERFs on the exclusionist side, so like, you must understand on some level that this is a problem.

anyway, just from my terf tag, here’s a terf saying trans people are as bad for the community as cishet aces

and here’s a much better masterpost of how excursionist rhetoric strengthens TERFs, including TERFs straight up thinking exclusionist posts were meant to be about trans women, and TERFs recruiting aphobes. so… TLDR exclusionism is gross even as a concept and your side has done absolutely nothing to stop from being co-opted and used by TERFs

clitcheese:

terfs have picked up the rhetoric that the AIDS crisis was /The/ defining moment for the community, and that’s why there’s absolutely no room for ace or aro people in the LGB community, because they weren’t at risk. let that sink in for a moment. The LGB community.

they’re erasing the fact trans women, most especially trans women of colour and sex workers, are still the highest-risk group for HIV.

i’m done. TWERFs can die. SWERFs who want to eradicate sex work before eradicating poverty can die. Ace ‘exclusionists’ giving them more ideas on how to exclude trans women can delete your shit sideblogs now and think real hard about what you’re doing, thanks

Also, a short list of reasons TERFs absolutely love reframing LGBT as SGA:

– it’s framing bi and pan people as a burden on the resources of the True SGAs.
– It frames bi people’s belonging as conditional, they can belong so long as they’re not dating the opposite gender.
– This is what TERFs have been trying to do to bi women forever, framing all sex with men as rape and bi women as gullible idiots who need to become a Properly Gay for their own safety
– it’s framing trans people as hitching a ride onto the SGA community.
– it’s framing straight trans people as the Privileged Invaders.
– It erases the sexualities of nonbinary people without same or similar genders, because they mustn’t really exist, right. if anything, they’re anomalies who don’t really belong.

Reframing the root cause of our oppression as SGA, instead of our /actual identities as an oppressed class/, is completely in line with what TERFs have been doing since the 70s, you gullible fucks. you can write ‘No TERFs’ on your blog as much as you like but it doesn’t stop them reblogging your posts. You need to block each one on sight. TERF blogs are still full of your rhetoric. Stop feeding the monsters.

if TERFs have reblogged your aphobe posts, message them to delete it, publically call them out, spam them, shame them. and if you feel the need to write more posts about excluding aces, think ‘could this idea also be used against trans women, bi people or nonbinary people?’ because it usually will.

jezunya:

bi-privilege:

the more i think about this

the more pissed a get. now, i’m not saying disney needs to make shang canonically bisexual (*cough* disney should definitely make shang canonically bisexual *cough*) but like…this changes some of the core lessons of the animated movie?? like

animated mulan:

shows a romantic relationships that is strongly rooted in friendship and mutual respect (unlike many other disney movies)

moral: gender is not your most important characteristic. your gender alone does not define who you are

live action mulan, apparently:

it’s totally healthy to date someone whose personality you actually can’t stand so long as You Want To Bang Them ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and all of this…just to remove….any slight hint…….of bisexual subtext………

Can we also talk about the transphobic undertones here? Like, he hates this one soldier who is Suspiciously Not Performing Masculinity Quite Right…..up until the moment the (heteronormative) narrative reveals that soldier to actually be a Perfectly Bangable Cis Lady! Whew! (So gross…)

[caption: a tweet from Nerdy Asians @nerdyasians which reads: The new character “Chen Honghui” hates Mulan all the way until he finds out she is female. This change from icon Li Shang is very suspicious]