Tag: discourse

this week i’ve seen both the phrases “lesbophobia thinly disguised as bisexual positivity”, “biphobia thinly disguised as lesbian positivity” and something like “bi women want to appropriate lesbian culture” and i want you all to know that if this specific brand of bullshit starts up again i’m just fucking blacklisting anything to do with wlw until this newest generation of tumblr users grows the fuck up. i was there for the korrasami discourse, i’ve done my time

officialqueer:

jillholtzmann:

dishoarse:

jillholtzmann:

Concept: bi/pan/ace kids feeling safe and welcome in their community.

Don’t group bi and pan with ace, they’re not comparable, they don’t share he same type of issues and being ace doesn’t make you LGBT.

Concept: bi/pan/ace kids feeling safe and welcome in their community.

Holy cow I didn’t realise the Woody Collective got the person who started all the hubbub on my post in the first place.

Thank you, Sherrif.

disk–horse:

a-spec:

aphobicpokemon:

a-spec:

aphobicpokemon:

a-spec:

a-spec:

aphobicpokemon:

a-spec:

aphobicpokemon:

a-spec:

aphobicpokemon:

since the ace community loves to erase lgbt identities i’m coining the term erace

what

there’s literally an ace flag for halsey who is very out about her sexuality

ive never heard of that but that sounds gross since shes bi but like i do not see what that has to do with all asexuals or “the ace community”

y’all are trying to steal jughead a canonically gay coded character

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“canonically gay coded”

also if u rlly wanna say hes gay,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he can still be ace too because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, gay aces exist

have you not read like any of the old archie comics ??? and yes bc gay men need to be further desexualized

yes i have thats why i said 
“
#i understand arguing he was queer coded in the past tho”

and wow okay i guess im desexualizing myself by existing as a gay ace thanks

don’t use the q slur please & don’t expect me to read petty tags

taking a heavily gay coded character & making him ace is still erasure &

yeah?? isn’t that the point of being ace?? to desexualize yourself??

what the fuck

im just gonna save this for every time an aphobe thinks they fucking know what they’re talking about

dandymeowth:

http://cardozzza.tumblr.com/post/162364426138/caseydickdanger-kindergraph-kindergraph-hey

this post is hilarious considering cardozzza was one of the diehard defenders of discourseprincessa, who was a cis woman pretending to be an intersex trans woman to get away with attacking people

this shitwipe was constantly telling inclusionist trans women to die and making other violent remarks lol which many trans women were calling out lol

and on top of that also claimed to be a “messianic” jewish person which many jewish people have said time and time again is not a thing and is antisemitic as fuck

and don’t come at me with that “but we were manipulated! stop hanging this over our heads!” because even if she wasn’t lying about who she was she was still claiming to be a “messianic” jewish person and threatening trans women!!

and that shit’s not suddenly unacceptable only because she turned out to be fucking cis, it was unacceptable to fucking start with!

I’m not gonna sit here and pretend this doesn’t have anything to do with the discourse and is “actually about helping people” because aphobes, cardozza included, have shown time and time again they don’t care about or will even defend when their own pull these kinds of stunts

Here’s some facts about this callout

1. aerf was not coined by them, in fact it was supposedly coined by trans women, and here’s a tweet from June 9th using it before this person did

2. this isn’t “bragging” about blocking trans women; they just remarked that they can block whoever they want after making a post about how nobody’s entitled to their creations 

and 3. it is absolutely correct that many trans women have expressed about how aphobes borrow TERF tactics and that it makes them feel afraid and unsafe, especially considering how often aphobes agree with TERFs and think that’s fucking fine

let alone the amount of cis people using “cishet” and saying shit like “saying cis people don’t have a say in transphobia is homophobic”, let alone the amount of people who are super willing to misgender nonbinary people and call us “basically (wo)men” to prove that sga is the main and most important aspect of being LGBT+, let alone their fucking constant intersexism

(this reblog explains it more eloquently)

and there’s a damned lot of people on this post that are completely ignoring all the ableist and misogynistic slurs which btw is an incredibly fucking common thing aphobes have been doing lol 

so again this all smells very strongly of being exactly about ace discourse

honestly, y’all need to stop listening to only the trans women and trans people that you personally like lol

a good reply:

tatterdemalionamberite said: I’m so fucking exhausted and enraged that this is going to be (is already being) used as a bludgeon against the trans women whose perspective Nora was boosting in the first place. Oh, and OP isn’t a trans woman either as far as I can tell, they just decided they’re an arbiter of what counts as transmisogyny, now that they can use that against a group of people including trans women that they don’t agree with. 

all this said i do think i’m going to block anyone using AERF because it’s painfully incorrect: exclusionists aren’t even tangentially related to any brand of feminism, they’re not radical, and the E in TERF and SWERF was meant to stand for exterminationist instead of exclusionist. AERF has also turned actual trans women calling out transphobic exclusionists into a joke

fattyatomicmutant:

christawolf:

adrianianam:

What’s with this rhetoric that “it’s always just been LGBT” that’s cropping up? 

I’ve seen “LGB” and “LG” with my own damn eyes, I remember the goddamn bi-discourse that still goddamn crops up, I remember reading old articles about whether or not the coalition should include them, you’re trying to convince me that I just hallucinated that shit? And they have the gall to claim I’M the one doing historical revisionism here?

More to the point, how the hell do you think a full coalition can just spring up out of the ground fully formed like that before the concept of Bisexuality as a distinct identity was even codified? Anyone who claims otherwise are either misled or actively lying about the issue to preserve the illusion that LGBT is this immutable concept that emerged from the collective subconscious fully formed and it disregards all the hard work it took people to build the coalition into what it is currently. It’s not only historically inaccurate, that’s just plain not how shit works.

Like that’s right up there with “they don’t belong because they aren’t inherently LGBT” as if it isn’t an artificial coalition. Weak-ass arguments intended to sidestep the ACTUAL matter at hand.

Wasn’t it earlier this year they were talking about dropping the T? Again?!

They wanna Drop the T because they think Republicans are using our Identity Politics as ammunition against the Oberfell thing or something.

They stand on the Shoulders of Marsha P. Johnson to get this far only for them to cut us off from the larger community when we ask for Help. We ‘Inconvenience’ them and they cut us off. And they white wash away the Footprints they made on our shoulders.

I keep seeing this ridiculous idea that LGBT as an acronym sprung up because of Stonewall, so that anyone who says the T wasn’t always there can be accused of erasing the trans women at the event. it’s 3 separate decades of history they’re compressing into a soundbite.

if you believe ace lesbians hold a privilege over non-ace lesbians then you need to put that opinion in your bio or something so no one interacts w you on the mistaken assumption that you’ve ever come down to reality for a split second in your life, thanks

queeranarchism:

queeranarchism:

golbatgender:

sixthhokage1:

If lumping people in with their oppressors is forbidden, then you cannot use LGBT, as it lumps us trans people in with cisgender people, it lumps women in with men, etc.

Maybe learn how intersectionality, demographics, and just plain fucking language work before making such awful arguments for the sake of discourse

It’s also literally a terf argument (they used to say it about the word cis), so…there’s that

Every damn time someone tries to articulate a form of discrimination that specifically effects one group, someone who does not experience that 

form of discrimination will get so pissed about the idea of having any privilege at all that they’ll throw a huge fit going ‘YOU ARE GROUPING ME IN WITH MY OPPRESSORS’. No I’m not. I’m naming one form of oppression you do not have to deal with today. Get over it. 

Though to be honest, this problem is likely to remain as long as identity politics remains so loaded with this weird sort of ‘self esteem based on my identity + love of all people in my identity + hatred of all people with privilege over me’, which makes the idea of being the privileged party so scary that people freak out at the thought of having any privilege at all. 

And the thing is, this is deliberate. It is a way in which liberal identity politics keeps us boxed in, focussing only on our own group at the expense of people we have more in common with. So if our group is trans people, liberal identity politics has us rooting for rich powerful trans people but not for the cis disabled man next door, even though that guy has experiences of oppression that are a lot closer to ours. 

Intersectionality stops us from being totally single-issue focussed and helps us do very necessary work focussing more on subgroups of subgroups. Which is useful but not enough. Alongside intersextionality we need cross-identity Solidarity. And the first thing we need to understand is that when we’re fighting the systems of oppression, we need to group ourselves in with those with a different kind of oppression than us, based on a common desire to not be oppressed. 

Today some aphobic anon send me a message that literally, seriously, had the sentence ‘cishets are the enemy’ in it, and if that doesn’t show you how far away from solidarity you can get when you take identity politics to its individualist conclusion, I don’t know what does. 

How is this even a debate??

helpfulhardware:

dietdyke:

lgbtdiscoursebabe:

If you are in a otherwise healthy relationship and consensually having sex with your partner and then your partner finds out you’re not actually sexually attracted to them that can be SO damaging to your partner. There is no excuse to not be honest about this with your partner. Like you are literally causing your partner harm, and why??? What for??? There’s no valid reason to do this??? Just be honest with the person your in a relationship with, this is not a new concept???

damn I’ve never heard this discourse before. imo I think people should say they’re ace before engaging in sexual activities b/c ace ppl often have different boundaries and communication is healthy, but i can’t offer you any real evidence on the subject, I’m sorry! thanks for bringing this to my attention

god i just love it when people act like they can speak for every conceivable relationship to ever exist ever. i love it when people act like the idea of being closeted/fearful to come out is a concept that doesn’t pertain to aspec people. i love it when people try to portray an orientation as specifically damaging. god it just makes my day ya know?

maybe people stay in the closet because of exactly shit like this, saying an ace partner is “literally causing them harm”, doing intense psychological damage to their partners, and just generally this idea that aces are going out of their way to trap people in unfulfilling relationships, and this idea that a partner coming out as ace is inherently this value statement that their partner must be unattractive and unlovable.

i’m all for healthy communication, but saying that people should feel offended if their partner comes out to them is really clearly the opposite of that