You can’t say your blog is “a safe space for all wlw” if you reblog posts that make a spec wlw uncomfortable.
Don’t say “a spec wlw included” or “all wlw are welcome here” if you:
• reblog aphobic content (both explicit and implicit)
• reblog from aphobes
• refuse to acknowledge a post is aphobic even if an a spec wlw tells you it’s making them uncomfortable
• don’t support a part of our identity
As a neurodivergent ace wlw, I deserve to know if your space is really safe for me, or if it’s dangerous for my mental health.
If it’s not safe for me I just need to know, so I won’t follow you.
I am a lesbian, I am ace, I am neurodivergent:the wlw part of my identity doesn’t erase my sexual orientation and seeing aphobic content in “wlw safe spaces” triggers my anxiety.
Just so y’all know, this blog is absolutely a safe space for aspec wlw. Aphobia won’t be condoned here, ever.
Yea um so any explanations as to why so many self proclaimed aphobes and ace discoursers decided it was cool to mock the gender terms I coined??? Literally mocking my gender??? Come pick up your trash
because TERFs are often lesbians. like. i knwo they’re terrible and i know they want people dead. but TERFs have every right to lgbt resources because they’re still lgbt. it’s fucking terrible i know. BUT the entire point of the LGBT is to fuckign protect these people. like….i hate TERFs just as much as you do. but if they need an LGBT shelter, or a place to go to fucking escape an abusive parent or just sex-ed or some other important LGBT specific resource, we’re can’t just turn them away. it’s like a death sentence for a lot of people. besides, we should spend our time trying to educate them and change their mindset instead of going. WELP. they’re a lost cause. fuck them. you’d rather let them keep thinking these terrible harmful transphobic thoughts then try to invite them in and educate them? that makes sense.
this is a bad comparison. of course we’re kicking terfs out of our spaces. they’re not entitled to any lgbt resources, unless you want trans, bi, and non white people to feel unsafe in those spaces? teach terfs using isolation and leave them to fester on their own. it’s not our job to educate a hate group. don’t let a fox into a club for rabbits. the entire point of being a terf is that you have read information and you’ve embraced a specific ideology advocating death for all trans women. are we letting in tradfems, too, if they’re gay?
today in the discourse: aroaces will Steal Our Nonrenewable Gay Resources, but we have to let TERFs into the LGBT community becaus Some Of Them Are Gay .( Please Won’t You Think Of The Lesbians Who Hate Trans Women Guys .( .( .( They Just Need To Be Educated!!! .( .( .( .( .( .(
“Why can’t we just be nice to violent transmisogynists who actively work to exterminate trans women? :(”
OP, you’re a transmisogynist, and you are literally calling to violently drive trans women from LGBT+ spaces. Fuck off.
OP is literally a fucking cis gay lecturing trans women on why we should welcome our murderers into our spaces are you fucking shitting me
Always remember this.
it’s not trans peoples’ job to fucking educate cis people on Not Wanting To Kill Trans People like jfc
You still haven’t explained why your opinion is automatically right, when there have been trans people opposing you, and I get some were anons and some had the URL cropped out, but they had zilch reasons to send anons to themselves, and I didn’t take all of these screenshots. And those anons were agreeing with inclusionists.
hey remember when i said this, and you just remained committed to being useless
your priorities in a call out post should be to publically identify people being transphobic to spread the word, so people can block and protect themselves. this was meant to be about trans people’s safety. being a smug piece of shit and dumping a bunch of completely anonymous screenshots so you can make inclusionists look bad, that’s useless to me. that’s useless to trans people on both sides of this. you’ve just turned this into more fucking discourse, because of course you couldn’t even be helpful for five fucking minutes to someone you disagreed with
i also explained my stance on the cishet thing multiple times, with links to other posts, and you know so did the actual trans people you screenshotted and called out as suspiciously terfy. and you get why i don’t care about your cis opinion right? your opinion that i’m wrong and transphobic, for reasons unspecified?
callout post for @yall-aphobes-need-to-stop, asserting that trans men should be allowed to ID as lesbians. this is transphobic, as it’s basing who can or can’t be a lesbian on birth assignment instead of identity as a woman. this attitude is especially harmful against trans women, who are frequently told we can not ID as lesbians because of birth assignment. for context, YANTS is not a lesbian, they are nonbinary and questioning if they’re a trans man as of the time of writing.
[caption: two images from yall-aphobes-need-to-stop’s blog. First image reads: “anonymous asked: men cant be lesbians. yall-aphobes-need-to-stop answered: There are a lot of men who, before they came out as trans men, identified as female and as lesbians. Then, as their identity changed and they realized they were trans men, they held on to the lesbian label.I personally don’t think those people are invalid. Why do you, anon?”
the second image contains the same post as the first, as well as another. Anonymous asked: If you say trans men can be lesbians, that means cis men can too. YANTS answered: That’s not how it works, brah]
I still don’t understand why people are using that second image as “proof” that I’m transphobic, because when I said “that’s not how it works, brah” I was essentially saying that since cis men never ID’d as women before, and they never had any transitional phase between IDing as a lesbian woman and a straight trans man, they literally have zero reason to say they’re lesbians outside of being pure douchebags.
As I’ve said many times before, trans men calling themselves lesbians is conditional. Only in the time period where they’re getting used to their new identity after coming out, around people they have not yet cone out to about their gender identity, or from accidentally falling into old habits.
I have never once said that trans men are lesbians, nor have I said they can be lesbians. All I have ever said or meant was that there are certain situations whereupon they might end up using that word to describe themselves, and it is not inherently transphobic or lesbophobic for them to do so.
i don’t want to get into this but if something isn’t specifically related to being trans, and it would be gross for a cis man to do it. then it would also be gross for a trans man to do it, regardless of how long they do it for. and there’s no ‘transitional phase’ where misgendering yourself magically becomes a healthy thing to do.
trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
straight trans people can call themselves gay
trans men can call themselves lesbians
cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus
trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
straight trans people can call themselves gay, or how they can’t be straight
trans men can call themselves lesbians
us cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, implicitly kicking out trans/nb people, and also ignoring that straight trans people don’t oppress us cis lgbp
aces have a greater right to lgbt spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus
(context for above screenshot, so you can see for yourself that slimecourse was telling off a TERF)
exclusionists pointing out how SAM can be used in transphobic way (but if someone can actually find someone using the SAM in a transphobic way, go ahead and add on)
pitting lg vs. bt, erasing trans/nb gay and lesbian people
uninucleus callout (who I’ve heard still kept kept their popularity after it came to light they were a TERF)
Also, thank you to @fuckradfems for double-checking these screenshots, @discoursepsychic for suggesting a screenshot
hey um, when I said a call-out post? i meant a call-out post and not this useless sack of crap i have to sift through. are you trying to be unhelpful?
as i have already plainly explained, we actually did have to fight for trans and bi recognition. this is basic, basic history, and not ‘erasing trans people from the movement’, it’s literally basically recognising that we have been already erased from the movement by cis people. for the love of fuck i can’t actually simplify this anymore. Trans people start movement. Gay movement decides it wants nothing to do with trans people. trans people fight this. the letter T is added so that doesn’t happen again. are we clear on this
the second screenshot actually goes into this in more detail than i can? there’s literally nothing incorrect here? what are you even calling out here? that we’re acknowledging trans erasure? do you want to call out someone for a goddamn history lesson? you get that what you’re doing here as a cis person is deliberately misleading right? there are young people who still remember the acronym before it included the T, considering this was a debate topic in the 90s and well into the 00s.
anonymous posts
@hookandcook says straight trans people can call themselves gay. i should point out hookandcook is, a gay trans person, but what the hell. hey dude, while straight trans people are queer for being trans, you can’t use gay and queer interchangeably like that. it’s pretty straightforward that it’s disrespectful to gay people for any straight people to call themselves gay.
alright! someone with an actual URL saying fucked up shit! this wasn’t so difficult was it? @rainbowgoddamnunicorn, who i can’t tag, great, but yeah what the fuck
the next anon is rubbish but they’re touching on something i’ve talked about, that trans people rarely have straight privilege even if they’re completely hetero because of the obscene kinds of hoops one has to jump through to be considered ‘straight’, so like, they’re being reductive but calling this anon transphobic… is a reach
all the callouts for saying trans men can be lesbians belong to @yall-aphobes-need-to-stop finally, it’s also literally up there on their blog admitting that they said it too. there’s also a bunch of callouts already in their url tag, so i suggest blocking them!
each and every single call out for policing cis people’s use of ‘cishet’ goes to trans people! aphobic-hau and babblingqueerace and transkrem! they’re all fucking trans! you’re calling out trans people for literally fucking calling out cis people… in a way you don’t like! you can call me out for this too, i stand by this. cis people need to… actually fucking listen to trans people on this. honestly. cis people labelling their oppressors as ‘cishets’ instead of as fucking straights only serves to distance themselves from their own cis privilege. and like, in the post i already linked to, sometimes trans people can actually have straight privilege? adding ‘cis’ doesn’t actually let us have a nuanced discussion about the dynamics trans people have towards straightness. and if this really erases trans people, you really have to explain to me how? i’m fucking trans and i can’t actually make sense of your complaint here.
hey quick aside if you crop out the URL on a post? it’s fucking useless thanks
more for yall-aphobes-need-to-stop, as well as @shybiviolet, hello you should let people be mad a terfs, because terfs are fucking trash, okay, cool
under ‘pitting lg vs bt’ you’ve put in that basic history lesson from before in again, i think you should read it actually? like what do you not like about it, the insinuation that bi people have faced biphobia? that cis people have been transphobic? nothing here actually demonises anyone, it’s just talking about the community’s history with respectability politics.
hey callout post for all these anons for being homophobic! you know these are completely fucking useless right. because they’re anonymous. like Barack Obama could have sent them for all the fuck i know. you know you can send these to yourself, that’s why they’re completely useless as evidence for anything.
and @next-venoms who i think you’ll find is a fucking guro blog? and they could have worded it in a less divisive way but, i think i really agree with the sentiment? is this really the hill you want to die on. i can’t speak for biphobia, but you know cis people abuse trans people in LGBTI/queer spaces all the time right? the LGBTI community was built on trans women’s backs.. the only thing problematic here is that it erases that bi people have as much cis privilege as gays and lesbians. but sure, let’s all call out this problematic goreporn blog
so. let’s tally up everyone who actually parroted anything even remotely simialar to what terfs have ever said;
you could have just given me the reciepts for those two. this was the most amazingly frustrating thing you could have done here. you could have at least figured out for yourself that transkrem, who has trans in their goddamn username, actually has a much more valid opinion on the word cishets than you do.. if you want me to call out anything ever again, you can at least make it readable. and not call out trans people for talking about trans issues and calling it TERF rhetoric. that’s literally a polite, basic minimum for these kinds of posts right.
oh and also can you do me a favour? it’s to never speak about transphobia ever again. you have no idea how to use that word and it’s not your fucking discourse card. literally fucking consult me or another trans person first before you make another post this useless and misleading again.
Not all of those screenshots are mine, and some other person cropped out the op of those posts. I literally consulted a trans person when compiling those posts. I also interpreted stuff like the T was added later as in trans people weren’t always there and were added later to the community, and promoting the LG vs BT split, which ignores trans gay people and that cis bi people can still be transphobic. Like, do inclusionists think all LG people are cis? There are also trans people saying that it’s 100% okay for us to use cishet, so your point? Those anons are obviously inclusionists and shows that transphobic sentiment is there. I’m not sure what else I could do there? Does anyone else care to join in?
yeah no matter how many times you, a cis person, willfully misinterpret what trans people have been saying to you, it doesn’t somehow make it TERF rhetoric. don’t repeat this to me again. i’m a trans lesbian so of course i’m not standing by this bullshit where you think i’m saying ‘all LG people are cis’, and neither did the screenshots you gave me that were clealy from other trans people.
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