for all the Discourse of ‘this is a group historically only for those who deal with homophobia or transphobia’, it’s not even that. not close. like the amount of abuse i’ve faced as a trans woman. from cis LGBs and truscum. i’ve blocked out half the shit i’ve been through just in lgbti and queer spaces. i can’t go to those places anymore. i want to just give up on discourse on this blog like, I don’t know why i’m fighting for a community that i haven’t felt welcomed in since, i thought i was a cis dude tbqh

don’t do a reblog thanks

biggaybunny:

I really, really, really cannot fathom the level of willful ignorance required to believe β€œit’s β€˜LGBT’, I don’t see aces in there” is a legitimate argument.

Like, where do you think that term came from? β€œLGBT” was not handed to us from on high. It’s not a fundamental law of the universe. It’s not even that old as an accepted term. It’s the latest iteration of a series of shorthands attempting to refer to groups supposedly standing in solidarity with each as a shared community, with shared problems and shared goals and hopes. It’s an umbrella term, and whenever we realize we’ve left someone out in the rain, we get a bigger umbrella. It’s actually already happening, you can’t pretend it isn’t.

So, seriously, if you think somehow a recently coined phrase is the absolute word of truth with who does or doesn’t belong in this community, get bent.

transkrem:

Bi inclusion now relies on your stance with aces. If you’re an inclusionist, you’re actually a secret straight and biphobia is excusable. If you’re an exclusionist, you’re actually really gay only its not biphobic this time

idiscourse:

azzy-against-aphobes:

toto-africa:

toto-africa:

Legend has it, if you post anything about being proud of your ace identity, tumblr user rebelbaze will come out of the shadows and shame you about it with comments but not reblogs.

@fearoftheminotaur she has OTHER blogs?????

Shes sleepdontvisit

She used to have a blog called tiredofcishets and then made a sockpuppet account called tiredofcishetsblockingme to keep harassing people who blocked her.

predictions: the discourse finally ends when rebelblaze is revealed to be every exclusionist simultaneously

Hey @ all radfems!!

trelesire:

fumbledeegrumble:

not-just-another-fake-lesbian:

Lets take back the ace discourse.

It started with us, and it’s gonna end with us.Β 

Genderists stole it from us and made it about keepingΒ β€œcishets” out instead of straight people.

Ace people are not and will not ever be LGB for being ace.

I vote that we all start posting in theΒ β€œace discourse” tag about how we don’t want straight people in the community. I suggest creating our own tag?:Β β€œTerfs against ace inclusion” or something similar.

Post the similarities betweenΒ β€œgay” andΒ β€œlesbian” trans people(Straight GNC people) wanting in and ace people wanting in; such as neither of them experiencing same sex attraction and both of them needing to be included above actual LGB people.

Goal: Ace exlusionists realize what we’re doing is good and help us fight the trans cult.

I bet if we can get enough genderist ace exlusionists to join our cause, we’ll be much more able to get the homophobia and lesbophobia of trans and ace people wanting to be in the community to be much more well known.

Please Please Please Reblog this and spread it around radfem spaces! I think this could possibly actually work if it takes off!

Oh, I’d be more than happy to.

TERFs are out here trying to β€œtake back” aphobia.Β Spread this shit like wildfire.

Where’s theΒ β€œDon’t compare us to our oppressors” racket now lmao lmao lmao hahahahahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

So why do you hate trans people?

aceusnavi:

discoursedumpster:

yaintlgbtpn:

disforce:

:

Just because I don’t think mogai gender identities are valid OR healthy doesn’t mean i hate trans people, Karen

Wait what id miss and what do you define as mogai genders do you mean like nounself type stuff or??

I made a post that was like β€œthis pride month let’s destroy mogai” meaning microlabels like those on beyond-mogai-pride-flags and apparently that = hating trans people

How is saying that you want to destroy labels that only trans people use not hating trans people??

first of y’all yaintlgbtpn is a transphobe so jot that down

idiscourse:

disk–horse:

aphobic-hau:

aphobic-hau:

helpfulhardware:

online:

Tbh, I feel like inclusionists calling exclusionists terfs is directly meant to hurt trans and nb people
They have been told countless times that there is an overwhelming amount of trans and nb ppl on the exclusionist side yet they still call them terfs
They know what they’re doing, they know that what they’re saying is harmful they literally just don’t give a fuck about it
Inclusionists who compare exclusionists to terfs are awful, they will honestly say anything to hurt someone, like you can’t be so flippant when ur calling actual trans ppl terfs while you’re cis/cishet

nobody is saying exclusionists are terfs, we’re saying the rhetoric is the same verbatim

coming at u live from a nb person

I mean, if you get pissed b/c you think we’re calling you terfs when we say you’re using terf rhetoric, and you don’t immediatly evaluate the shit you say, welp.

If the shoe fits strut bih.

Wait, holy shit y’all op is cis. I knew this shit sounded Cispicious.

The Cispicious Stamp of Approvalβ„’.

Anyways y’all will never stop my trans ass from saying exclusionists and terfs are similar af and the Cisasterβ„’ that is op can cry about it

earthmoonlotus:

bihets:

exclusionists jumping on thomas sanders or any other Big Name Inclusionist also need to remember that β€˜are ace/aro people part of the lgbt+ community’ isn’t a debate for most people. it isn’t a discourse topic. the majority of mainstream lgbt+ organizations (glaad, the trevor project, hrc, etc) now accept and include asexuality, and the movement to exclude ace people is relatively small compared to the number of people who accept ace people as innately part of the community (on tumblr, anyway.) i’d wager a huge portion of the lgbt+ community on here doesn’t even know there’s a push to exclude ace people, let alone support it.

so everyone jumping on him, or on any other vocal member of the community like jeffrey marsh, for taking a Contentious Stance On The Discourse should realize that for the vast majority of the community, there IS no discourse. ace people are just seen as inherently accepted and that’s the default position. they’re not trying to Let Cishets Invade The Community, they’re taking a look around and saying β€˜yeah, obviously ace people are included??’ because yes, for the majority of people not actively involved in this stupid discourse, it’s pretty fucking obvious.

something worth noting here, however, is that before asexuality was universally recognized as an LGBTQ orientation, you know who was against it being recognized in that way? Assimilationalists. People like Dan Savage who only really care about trans and bi people in a performative way, and want the LGBTQ community to be as much like straight people as possible. I mean, look at this shit.Β (Seriously, that last link was this awful corporation called fckh8 using a lot of rhetoric that exclusionists are now unironically using, like framing asexuality as a meaningless identity that people identify with for attention and/or simply the absence of sex / a detail about one’s sex life akin to masturbation info, and using arguments likeΒ β€œhow are asexuals oppressed under the law”. And the first link includes a clip of Dan Savage saying asexuality is a meaningless/”unproductive” identity.)

(Oh yeah, and terfs. Terfs were actually some of the first people to talk about ace discourse in the exaact same way exclusionists do now.)

Most of the big assimilationalists I mentioned (like Fckh8 and Dan Savage) recognize asexuality now (which I’m not saying should be celebrated – as I said, they’re assimilationists, now they’re just addingΒ β€œasexual” into the group of people they think should try to fit in with straight society), but it’s worthwhile to note that while a-spec folks haven’t always been recognized as LGBTQ, before the current discourse it’s been mostly assimilationists and TERFs who’ve been arguing against their inclusion.

(That doesn’t even cover the fact that I believe the exclusionist position to be inherently assimilationistΒ even though most exclusionists claim to be against that sort of thing, but…we don’t even have to go there right now.)

β€œaces think they’re lgbt just because they’re not normal”

yeah it just sounds like someone used normal as a shorthand for, accepted as the default under cisheteronormativity. like i get you that it’s reductive and definitely gives off a bad vibe

but like. you know our sexualities and genders are non-normative right. as in society literally will never, can never accept us as β€˜normal’. some of you are acting as if that’s shocking