i’m seeing posts saying that umbrella terms like queer and mogai are bad because they harm trans women, in ways such as it’s lumping us in with our oppressors, and assuming shared identity where there is none.

which is cool and all but each one of these posts champion LGBT as the less problematic alternative, completely unironically. even going so far as bringing up the myth that we’re “an historic coalition of SGA and trans people”, which i’m not going to get into what a rewrite of history that is today

it’s like the cis lgbp folk finally got around to listening to all the reasons we don’t like LGBT, only to recycle our words to justify ripping queer out of our mouths.

You can’t say your blog is “a safe space for all wlw” if you reblog posts that make a spec wlw uncomfortable.

Don’t say “a spec wlw included” or “all wlw are welcome here” if you:

• reblog aphobic content (both explicit and implicit)

• reblog from aphobes

• refuse to acknowledge a post is aphobic even if an a spec wlw tells you it’s making them uncomfortable

• don’t support a part of our identity

As a neurodivergent ace wlw, I deserve to know if your space is really safe for me, or if it’s dangerous for my mental health.

If it’s not safe for me I just need to know, so I won’t follow you.

I am a lesbian, I am ace, I am neurodivergent: the wlw part of my identity doesn’t erase my sexual orientation and seeing aphobic content in “wlw safe spaces” triggers my anxiety.

lavender-scones:

zarya-discourse:

discoursekinni:

Ace tumblr: Why frick frack when you can snick snack? Haha we can’t get STDs, we’re so lucky! My mom’s upset she’ll never have grandchildren 😦

Also ace tumblr: Aces can have sexual needs and desires! Aces can enjoy sex! Aces can be giant hoes! Aces 👏 who

👏 have

👏 sex

👏 are 👏 valid!

sooooo like which is it???

all ppl are different and varied and just bc one asexual personally enjoys sex w/o attraction doesn’t mean all asexuals are just “faking” being “special aceys” holy shit

Aces 👏 are 👏 a 👏 monolith

“asexuality is not wanting to fuck” im sorry but thats literally sexualizing lgbt+ (mainly lgbp+) people?? if asexual = not wanting to fuck, then bisexual = wanting to fuck everybody i guess? homosexual/gay (thats me i am gay) = wanting to fuck All Men???? im so confused and tired

featherinmycapandcheese:

mukhannath:

they dug that hole themselves

no but it’s okay because they say aces made that definition, so they don’t have to own their own views and statements

allosexisterfs:

butts-bouncing-on-the-beltway:

ske-lee-ton:

allosexisterfs:

justonepurpose:

catsanddiscourse:

justonepurpose:

“You can’t use the word “gatekeeping” because it’s a word made by and for trans people.“

Hmm what an interesting point you bring up. It’s not true but it does make me think. Isn’t there another word made by and for trans people? A word that many have asked exclusionists to stop using incorrectly? A word that’s been turned into a dogwhistle and a catch all for “people I don’t like”. Isn’t there a word…made by and for trans people…that a lot of cis people are using…hmm…what is it…

I think it’s. Oh, it’s coming back to me now. That’s right. I think it’s “cishet”.

Cis lgb people use cishet to say they hold no powet of trans het people of a cis lgb person says that get people oppress them, they’re implying trans het people hold power over them, which in fact trans het people do not hold any power of cis lgb people

Cis LGB people should not be using the phrase “cishet” because it implies that they can be oppressed for being cis, which they cannot.

The term was created by non-straight trans people specifically to talk about the intersection of their oppression by cis and het people. It was coined by trans people to use as an identifier for their unique brand of oppression…and ace exclusionists like yourself have stolen it, warped it, and rendered it a useless dogwhistle that means “person I don’t like” or “aspec”.

Your movement has robbed queer trans folks of their language because you weaponized the word they coined against other queer people. So shame on you, and shame on you for defending this nasty shit.

Cis people should not be using the word “cishet” to talk about the oppression they face, because they are not oppressed for being cis. End point.

tbh as A Trans™ I am not interested in cis people’s whining about how they just wanted to pretend they were using it to avoid implying that trans het people had power over them

If you are willing to accept the het trans people who want to be in your community because you understand that even when trans people access het privilege, it’s INCREDIBLY conditional….

BUT you’re not willing to accept the het intersex people who want to be in the community, and you haven’t educated yourself enough about what intersex people experience to recognize how conditional their privilege is too….

And you’re not willing to accept the heteromantic asexual people who want to be in the community, and you won’t listen to them about how conditional their access to privilege is….

Then fuck off with your pretending to support trans people. We don’t want your superficial, incredibly conditional allyship.

Also wasn’t “gatekeeping” coined by disability activists?

Even if it wasn’t it was certainly in use by disability activists long before these people are claiming trans activists coined it. It’s a cross-communal concept and pretty much always has been.

Yeah. The term has been around for as long as there have been gates, probably, but according to Wikipedia, “Kurt Lewin was the first to identify the word gatekeeping. It was first mentioned in his book, Forces Behind Food Habits and Methods of Change. He first applied the concept to the food chain using the example of a female being the person deciding what food is placed on the dinner table.

“After exploring this idea he started to add to the gating process and how it can change the communication channels. The first person to turn Lewin’s words into a journalism idea was David Manning White in the 1950s.

“Then in the 1970s ideas about the influence of gatekeepers and their decisions were further developed by Maxwell McCombs and Donald Shaw in their construction of agenda setting theory.”

The other side of this is that I’ve also seen exclusionists use “it was coined by disability activists!” to say that inclusionists can’t call them gatekeepers, despite the huge amounts of ableism in exclusionist arguments, so….

harilvy:

clitemoji:

“mogai tumblr made it hard to figure out my gender/sexuality when first coming out”

consider: You don’t have to have a vendetta against queers with the “weird” genders and sexualities, especially teenagers, because you used to consider yourself one of them

also consider: the answer to “my identity was hard to figure out” is not to make it harder for other people. erasing other people’s identities will not make your own more visible. MOGAI people actually quite often find it helpful to have words for their identities, like yourself, and everyone else in the world

also consider: your anger is misdirected. heteronormativity hurt you several billion times more than the split attraction model ever could. No one who IDs as frostgender has the social capital to gaslight and coerce children from birth into a gender. straight and cis people are 100% to blame for the shame we’re made to feel for our identities and placing blame on young queers achieves nothing but furthering that shame. there is no good political goal that can be achieved by bullying mogais you nasty fucks

lol ok. go through @.hate2breakittoya’s “mogai hell denial” tag and see how harmless mogai identities are.

yeah this is what my post is about. all those stories are the same thing, “i identified as mogai when i was really in the closet”. people used mogai identities to avoid coming out to themselves. Is that meant to be the fault of mogai people who actually do need those identities? i identified as bi before realising i was a lesbian, so do you think i have a right to hate bi people? should I spend my time getting revenge on bi people for the time I didn’t realise I was gay?

reblog if the split attraction model/mogai identities caused you to experience internalised homophobia, biphobia, etc

hey quick question do you really think mogai identities caused this or do you think maybe internalised homophobia and biphobia came from somewhere else, like, idk, straight people

and @uglysapphics u should consider calling yourself something other than a blog for sapphics and wlw if that doesn’t include mogai wlw? don’t use inclusive terms if you don’t mean to use them

Something I’ve noticed.

starmashine:

queering-the-void:

courteousmingler:

if you ever need to quickly get a list of autism symptoms and examples of neurodivergent behaviors, just go ask an acephobe what’s most “cringey” about the subculture of inclusionism.

“they get so obsessed and make really weird jokes about cake and dragons, making flags and acting really embarrassing.”

like. criticizing abnormal humor or a “childish” demeanor, criticizing individuals for being extremely passionate and involved in their interests to the point where neurotypicals can find it disconserting…

half the posts mocking inclusionist humor and behavior are mocking neurodivergent behaviors. it’s a rerun of seventh grade for me tbh, people mocking my autism constantly without even realizing that my autism is what they’re making fun of. they’re just mocking how weird i talk! how strange my humor is and how unrelatable the jokes are! mocking my lack of social tact and difficulty adhering to social etiquette!

it’s a form of subtle ableism, finding any young person who gleefully and passionately says something innocent yet embarrassing (like “WHAT IF WE HAD A CAKE PROM FOR ASEXUALS ON THE MOON!” or something of that caliber) and then humiliating them on a public platform for sadistic enjoyment.

it’s a demonization of neurodivergent behaviors, a well-oiled machine designed to publically humiliate the opposition by targeting our high percentage of autistic (or otherwise neurodivergent) individuals.

it’s ableism. it isn’t overt, the words “autism” aren’t said, but it’s functionally identical to targeted abelism.

The microlabels thing is also common to autism and other neurodivergencies in my experience. Like, wanting a separate word for every tiny discreet concept, wanting to qualify and quantify some experiences as distinct from others, is a thing with autism for me.

Another thing I’ve seen them making fun of is not ‘getting’ sarcasm, or mocking people for “not knowing it’s a joke.” (Usually after telling a shitty bigoted joke)

The crytyping jokes and in general mocking people for getting upset easily are also major ableism

exhibit B: “you’re so gullible lmao”

exhibit C: a group of exclusionists literally came into my a-spec discord server and created a fake profile who’s entire purpose was to mock my autistic traits and special interests.

aerospace-agenda:

…

I’m just remembering how, previously, I’d seen multiple people talking about how “the ace community” was all about sex shaming, and wanted to bring conservative politics into LGBTIQA+ spaces.

The same people who had said thing like that are the ones arguing against sex-ed, and the ones arguing that “since being a-spec is simply a matter of sex related behavior”, therefore you shouldn’t talk about being a-spec in almost any context, because “talking about sex is gross and tmi”.

There’s a lot of problems with the both assertions here, but just focusing on the parts where they’re displaying the very behavior they accuse “the ace community” of to demonise them…

I mean, it just seems… rather ironic and hypocritical, is all I’m saying.

“gay party bottom twink hooker” –> “homo-frayromantic homo-ampheto-fraysexual demi-binary non-boy”

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

sobercommunist:

clitemoji:

kin-against-aphobes:

sobercommunist:

kin-against-aphobes:

sobercommunist:

i mean, right? this checks out? btw “amphetosexual” is a neuro-sexuality i just coined, where one’s sense of sexuality is inextricably tied with being a crystal meth addict. i’ve stopped going to AA because it’s conversion therapy for me as an amphetosexual. i hope i can count on your support as i journey into mogai micro-identities.

What the actual hell is wrong with you fucks. Why the *hell* do you think conversion therapy jokes are funny in ANY context? Like. What the actual hell. -mod karkles

ummmmm it’s not a joke? twelve step recovery is conversion therapy for ampheto-sexuals like myself. why do you hate neuro-sexualities? why are you being so ableist toward neurodivergent people? do you hate addicts or what???

Dude. You’re existence is a joke. You literally exist on this blog to mock people. I don’t hate neurodivergent people. I don’t hate neuro-sexualities. I’m not the one fucking mocking them.

@diskhorsedudes gem im dyin. I got called ableist for callin out someone for mocking the idea of conversion therapy

hey gay mentally ill alcoholic here, what the actual fuck you demon? just don’t talk about mental illness ever again if this is the shit that’s going to fall out of your mouth

hey, tweaker faggot here, and no. i’m not the one tacitly admitting that “ampheto-sexual” is a valid “neuro-sexuality” lmao

yeah no? no one gives a shit about your bad joke, but you’re attacking the very fucking basic idea that someone’s mental illness can affect their sexuality. and your awful conversion therapy joke? it’s bad. you have no reason to joke about that, and you laughing at someone bringing up ableism? do you honest to god think you’re funny,relevant, interesting? let people call their sexuality whatever they fucking want, you don’t need to become the living embodiment of family guy humour over it

so hold up, am i allowed to call myself an ampheto-sexual or not

and, if i am, if it’s perfectly fine to define my sexuality as “meth addict,” then how is calling Crystal Meth Anonymous “conversion therapy” out of line? because, if we go by the ace community’s (wrong) definition of “conversion therapy,” then 12 step recovery is literally ableist conversion therapy for anyone who falls on the addict-sexual spectrum!

if you think i’m making fun of the idea that mental illness can inform a person’s experience of sexuality, allow me to clarify: being a meth addict, an alcoholic, (and also HIV+) are all inextricably tied to my self-conception as a gay man. but that doesn’t make me “ampheto-sexual” lmao, i’m still just gay. i’m making fun of your politics, not your experiences.

did u just say the conversion therapy joke again? that’s your response when people tell you to stop making fun of people’s sexualities? thanks south park this has been real fun

and, my politics not my experiences? do you think my politics is making microlabels because they’re cool? or do you think maybe my politics is letting people define themselves however they like without deserving ridicule? because no one decides how to define them but themselves? people are making microlabels when they feel they need to describe something that there isn’t a word for yet, and I don’t see what’s wrong with people fucking describing themselves. do you really think people are coming up with microlabels to piss you off or something? i still remember how it feels to come out and hear someone tell me i must be fucking delusional, how do you forget that? how do you keep making these jokes to make people doubt their own damn sexuality and gender and still think you’re fucking revolutionary

i am asking you point-blank: do you think ampheto-sexuality is valid? and i ask this as a person who spent multiple years uninterested in sex unless methamphetamines were involved.

no, fuck off, i do not believe in your bullshit because i know what a joke looks like. this is a decade old anti-sjw tactic? I don’t think it’s a real identity because you made it as a fucking meme you dickstain. I also don’t believe in fucking circumgender, absorbagender, cancergender, cupcakegender. I don’t believe in clovergender, that “I identify as a child” bullshit the 4chan pedophiles made up. I haven’t actually ever seen the use of aesthetic orientations outside of anti-sj tumblr. The only time i’ve seen fucking -platonic used as an affix is fucking queerplatonic, which I’ve never seen used in an orientation outside of these jokes. I have seen none of these things outside of people saying “wouldn’t it be ridiculous if the MOGAI’s do this?”

My one requirement of believing something is valid is if i see a real damn human being, who isn’t an obvious troll blog, say it’s a useful term that helps them. That’s it. I haven’t seen people say any of the unreasonable shit you’re putting in their mouths. It’s really not hard to avoid smearposts and rely on real people for my info, i think you should try it

this isn’t new, it’s not fun? these exact same “do you believe in this ridiculuous thing?” catch-22s have been coming from truscum tumblr, TERF tumblr, fucking neo-nazi tumblr for years. it’s such a basic part of reactionary politics that complaining about ‘made-up’ genders and sexualities are in every thinkpiece about how millenials are ruining the world. just… get a new joke i’m so tired

so it, like, doesn’t matter to you that i very honestly considered myself an “ampheto-sexual,” in the sense that i only wanted to have sex if methamphetamine was involved, for literal years. it apparently doesn’t matter that i DO consider my addictions to be deeply-entwined with my sexual identity, inextricable even, to the point where i am half-serious when i talk about “addict-sexuality,” and you’re apparently so outta the loop that you are unaware that i am faaaar from alone in this, that there is an entire subculture of gay men and trans women that revolves around smoking/shooting meth and fucking.

but, literally because you don’t like me, you’re gonna call me a neo-nazi lmao, while on the other hand tacitly admitting that YES ampheto-sexuality is perfectly valid if it’s claimed by a person you DO like.

problem is, your side of the discourse has very few addicts (or gay men for that matter) so no one on your side has gotten around to coining a term for it. you don’t fuck, and you CLEARLY don’t party, so idk why you even give a shit about faggots like me lol

“but my joke about how much i hate mogais was actually sincere” oh im sorry do u not feel validated? 😦

also dude, im gay. are you implying i’m a homophobe or a misandrist or what. do i have to prove I don’t hate gay men by putting up with more anti-sj bullshit? is that really how it works

the joke, which continues to fly right over your head, is that if “ampheto-sexuality” had been coined by a person you LIKE as “a useful term that helps them” you would accept it without question. it’s a flaw in your fucking politics.

i mean, i do also hate mogais, don’t mistake me, but that’s not the joke.

do u feel like the term has helped you? come to terms with anything, find other amphetosexuals? are you really not getting the qualifier that i believe in sexualities that aren’t /made as jokes/?

well, the actual term we use in The Community is “tweaker” and sure, it did help me connect with other tweakers, by which i mean, it helped me find people to give me drugs and fuck me. it even gave me a sense of community, kind of! there aren’t a whole lotta Queer Theory discussions going on in the bathhouses, so the language is not as rarefied, but surely you get my point?

again: you have no valid reason within your own framework to reject a construction like “ampheto-sexual,” and indeed you’ve already admitted that you would accept it if it was proposed by someone else. this, of course, would never happen, because your community appeals to a different demographic, one which largely does not include people like me (drug addict, HIV+, gay man).

you can say you reject it because i’m operating in bad faith, but the point remains: so long as a person, in apparent good faith, claims a term “helps” them, you will accept it. hence the heteromantic homosexuals, the bi lesbians, the masc-aligned sapphics, etc. (all of which, btw, have been proposed and defended by prominent members of your community!). the very fact that your Identity Politik is capable of being trolled in this way condemns it. that’s the joke.

it’s split attraction dude how am I going to tell someone they’re Feeling things wrong

i have never heard of a bi lesbian but i’m assuming it’s a split attraction thing? but here’s the fun bit, that’s not up for you to decide what a lesbian is

masc-sapphic sounds butch, idk. but if you’re talking about trans men calling themselves lesbian then it’s pretty obvious i would be against men calling themselves lesbians? you actually have to be clear about these things and what they mean so i can get what you have against them

like you are welcome. MOGAI includes gay men, you’re covered in the acronym. you might have to leave transphobia and biphobia at the door and stop pulling oppression olympics but that’s your problem, not mine. and stop making conversion therapy jokes! who the fuck are they for! but you’re fucking invited to the club if that’s what you’re mad about. but if you’re going to say shit like, MOGAIs hate addicts, which isn’t my experience, or MOGAIs hate ppl with HIV+, then i’m genuinely up to hearing it. but literally, everything i have heard from you is the tired, tired reactionary shit fighting against new words for genders and sexualities. people fucking describing themselves. you just need a real complaint other than thinking that fucking trolling us is politics