β"MOGAIββ genders and orientations will continue to feel threatening to the soul and progress of the community so long as your priority is to appeal to the sensibilities of the oppressor class and try to gain their approval in order to access their privilege.
Abandon that mentality for the self-defeating lost cause it is, and you no longer need to tailor yourself to be palatable to your oppressors, to fear or reject your allies, or to constantly calculate which vulnerable people you are willing to sacrifice for your own conditional acceptance.
having people fall for obvious troll ace positivity/kin blogs is practically just the same type of circlejerk antic the anti SJ community does when making strawman SJW blogs and thatβs my hot take for today
βiβm ace hitlerkin and totally realβ
everyone on this hellsite: LOOK AT THIS EXAMPLE OF ALL ACE AND KIN PEOPLE
i still dont get queerplatonic relationships. dates are inherently romantic, making out is romantic. wheres the line drawn from qppr and a romantic one? on feeling? there are plenty people who go into relationships and dont do romantic things/feel romance and arent ace/aro. like, theres no distinction between romantic relationship, qppr and platonic. i felt VERY platonic before i met my boyfriend (and yeah iβd make out with him BEFORE we were dating – hell one of his friends offered to kiss him, are they a qppr suddenly?)
βmost people dont make out with their best friend unless theyβre dating themβ making out is inherently romantic and related to relationships that have the feeling of romance behind them.
heres a take on thisΒ βmaking outβ for most people has romantic and sexual connotations but in some contexts its one or the other only. why canβt it be noneΒ
another take; the consistent phrasing of ‘x is inherently y’ gives the impression that you’re not interested in learning or questioning anyone on this, bc u’ve already made up your mind. take out those assumptions and u have the answer; QPs exist bc dates and making out aren’t inherently anything for some people.
People think of themselves as more legitimate when they operate under solidarity instead of in coalitions. The cool thing about the LGBT(QQIAPP+) mess of an acronym is that it defines different kinds of groups that belong together, without making an attempt to justify how one relates to another.
What REGβs did was try to ascribe solidarity to a coalition. When they saidΒ βthe community is about fighting homophobia and transphobia,β they decided that every member of the group should have the same experiences, thus unifying them through something tangible.
The problem I have with solidarity (read as: shared experiences as the basis for unity in activist groups) is that if the criteria for entry is having a certain experience, the group is inevitably going to reject somebody who would benefit from access to a community and to resources, but who isnβt up to snuff. You can see this in racial activist groups, for example, when they kick out mixed folks for being too white, or adopted folks for not having the right cultural upbringing.
The point of coalitional politics is to be a community. If you think of a community like a street of small apartments, nothing really unifies the people on that street except that they live there, and living there is something that could easily change. But people are nonetheless friendly to their neighbors and try to help one-another out. They take turns being on neighborhood watch duty and they pool their resources to maintain a community garden. One guy who lives there has a daughter who doesnβt; she comes to visit every so often and all the neighbors still welcome her with an open embrace even though she isnβt technicallyΒ one of them, but sheβs close enough, and thatβs what a communityΒ is. If somebody shows up to their block party uninvited, theyβre not going to sayΒ βgo away,β theyβre going to sayΒ βwe have plenty of food, enjoy yourself! Do you know somebody here, or are you just stopping by? Either way is great, the more the merrier!β And people who move away are still treated like family and welcome back at any time, thus increasing the pool of people-who-donβt-live-here-but-are-still-part-of-our-community. And at some point, one of the apartments catches on fire, and only the people who lived there know the true pain of their own experiences; plenty of others canβt relate at all, but they still show compassion and try to be good allies, even if itβs not an issue that affects them personally.
I think about this street metaphor a lot when Iβm trying to organize a group, because thatβs how activism should beβlots of different people with any or no amount of similarity should rally behind causes together and give one another support, even though they may not have any shared experience. Having compassion doesnβt require you to have felt the pain of oppression, whether itβs internal or social. You donβt need dysphoria to be trans and you donβt need to have faced outright transphobia to be trans.
A lot of people think that queer, as a community identifier, is about people who donβt fit elsewhere. And to some extent, this is trueβit aligns with the historical context of queer meaning weird. However this kind of thinking leads to the idea that itβs a solidarity group centered around fighting queerphobia and normative Straightness. With solidarity groups, there always has to be a line. Some people draw the lineΒ βmonogamous able-bodied neurotypical peri-cis-allo-hetero vanilla white person,β whereas others get into passionate arguments, asserting that polyamory, kink, drag, etc arenβt queer.
The way to fix this is to make it very very clear that queer is for people who want to call themselves queer. The queer community is firstly a community for one another (in that it provides comfort and support to its members) and secondly an activist group. People call themselves queer when they need a community and when they are ready to defy norms that box people in (thus choosing a definitionless identifier over a concrete one like you would find in the LGBT acronym).
Given the nature of what a community is, who is allowed inΒ a community, and how activism is most effective, it makes sense not to police who can call themselves queer. So with regard to polyam//kink/drag/etc, proximity to queerness and a willingness to identify as queer is all it takes to be welcomed into the community, and rightfully so. I think this model is the best way to not only form productive, meaningful communities, but also to respect the autonomy of each individual member, by giving them the choice to enter or not.
The way I see it, LGBT was historically a solidarity group (which started with G, then LG, then LGB), but as the smaller identity categories started voicing their unique experiences and creating more precise solidarity groups within the larger one, the entirety of LGBT expanded to be a coalition. Identity politics became a bigger thing and people realized that their behaviors didnβt have to reflect their attractions, so attraction became the root of identity. Thus, entry into LGBT was definitional; if you wereΒ lesbian, gay, bi, or trans (or another letter in whatever acronym is being used), then you were given automatic entry. And when people are automatically enlisted, no matter their life experiences or politics, you canβt be an activist group. So LGBT was successful at giving people resources and emotional support, but it was never supposed to be the face of queer politics. And thatβs whyΒ βhomophobia and transphobiaβ (orΒ βSGA and transβ) doesnβt make senseβbecause LGBT as a coalition/solidarity group canβtΒ fight anything on a unified front, because they arenβt truly unified.
The thing that unifies the queer community is the choice to be queer and the choice to respect that each other queer individual has just as much right to call themselves queer as the next person. Thatβs what makes queer politics so successful, is that if youβre not onboard, youβre not going to join; queer is as much an ideology as it is an identity. Itβs a community of people who come from all walks of life but prioritize compassion over empathy because they understand that they may never actually understand, but that doesnβt mean bad things canβt end.
wait one more post and this one is the Tinfoil Hat edition
im pretty sure the βqueer is a slur!!β stuff started from like terf/truscum garbage and then bled out into fucking everything. 90% of complaints about βqueersβ are like two steps removed from complaining about transtrenders or whatever anyway, just replace the fake trans girl who transitioned because of autogynephilia with the straight cis man with a beard who calls himself aromantic because he wants to fuck a lot of girls. theyre both fuckin boogeymen but one sounds worse to a wider audience so you can get away with shitting on other lgbt folks for not being as Pure as you or having slightly silly opinions
the stupid fucking debates over this are just bi/trans/nonbinary exclusion shit with a new coat of paint that way more people seem to fall for. its just using an imaginary Cishet Asexual Man as a bludgeon to further fuck with people who were already getting treated like shit
i mean some people have had personal experiences that make them uncomfortable with being called queer but honestly. yeah all of this
where the fuck do people live that βaro fake queersβ are a problem worth putting emotional energy into
where the fuck do people live that urban lgbt communities dont use the word queer
is it like. portland or something. wheres this bizzarro realm.
yeah i mean this is barring personal circumstances/bad times with het
people still Actually using it as a slur, of course, but thereβs a big
difference between the general decent rule of βmake sure itβs cool
before you refer to someone with that termβ and βif you use this word
youβre cringeyβ.
but yeah i dont know. it feels like some kind of
spectral, nebulous enemy thatβs composed primarily of dumb twitter
posts, troll MOGAI blogs, and hypotheticals, and now if you use the word
queer near the wrong people online you get tossed in the bin with all
the other Space Invaders
Hi yβall, in a fit of insomnia I quickly went through the ace humor/jokes tags to find a small sampling of the HUNDREDS of posts about asexuality meaning no sex and ace culture revolving around not having sex to prove a point in the discourse.
A lot of aces claim that asexuality has a definitive definition and that is βnot experiencing sexual attractionβ and not βnot having/wanting sex,β so I thought Iβd gather some evidence to the contrary straight from the horsesβ mouth.
Feel free to use this blog as a reference every time an ace insists that asexuality isnβt sex shaming and isnβt about not having sex, lmao.
If we can accept that having sex with women is a part of lesbian culture even though one is not required to participate in, desire, or even enjoy sex with women to be a lesbian, we can recognize that not having sex is a part of ace culture even though asexuals can participate in, desire, and enjoy sex.
That asexuality describes orientation and not behavior and that many aces joke about and bond over a lack of sex are not contradictory. Donβt pretend they are.
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we can recognize that not having sex is a part of ace culture even though asexuals can participate in, desire, and enjoy sex.β
This ^
I donβt desire to have sex or a relationship because I am not attracted to people of any gender. If I was attracted to someone I probably would desire to have sex or a relationship.
My lack of interest in sex and relationships have an inherent connection to my asexuality but donβt define it. I am asexual because I am not attracted to anyone and I never have been attracted to anyone, not because of anything else.Β
Action is related to orientation in a lot of cases, but it doesnβt define it.
Straight women might desire to have sex and relationships with certain men because of their attraction to them. And they most likely wouldnβt desire to have sex or relationships with men (theyβre not specifically attracted to) or with women (theyβre not attracted to in general). But sex and relationships arenβt what make a personΒ βstraightβ, itβs the attraction they experience (and donβt experience).
But attraction isnβt the only reason someone might choose to have sex. And a lack of attraction isnβt the only reason people would choose not to.
Celibate straight people and straight people who are virgins are still straight (because they still experience exclusive attraction to a gender other than their own), celibate gay or bi people are still gay or bi⦠and asexual people who have sex are still asexual (as they still experience a lack of attraction to people of any gender).
So really, OP, finding those posts isnβt proving anything. Itβs just showing, as tuxedo-cut-man said before me, people who share an orientation joking about their experiences related to that orientation. Theyβre not giving a definition of it, or educating about what it means, theyβre making jokes that people who share their orientation may (or may not) relate to.
Thanks for reading.
op is a troll
OP is not a troll. OP is sleepdontvisit (if you look at sleepdontvisitβs reblog you can see they mention in the tags that itβs their blog), a user whose blog is dedicated to them being critical of asexuality. From their blog they seem to genuinely believe what they are saying to be true and are not just saying it to get a rise from people.
holy shit are you serious?? how many blogs do they have??
thatβs so gross, thanks for letting me know!
aaaaaaaand there it is
whoβs surprised at this point?
jesus christ get a better hobby then making like thousands of discourse blogs???
ah yes, gay-specific history and culture, the gay-specific history and culture that no bi men or women participated in ever, because as we all know, bisexuals didnβt exist until 1990 when BiNet USA was foundedβ¦and also even if they did exist, no bisexuals ever in history participated in gay culture because they were all just Straight Married because theyβre obviously all Secretly Straight Diet Gaysβ¦Stephen Donaldson? Brenda Howard? never heard of βem.
anyway hereβs a list of Very Specific Historic Words bisexuals can Never Use because they obviously did not historically participate in or help form gay culture at all ever nope, and they certainly never got called any slurs or faced any danger or discriminationβ¦
your support for nblm + nblw relationships should not hinge on how closely they βlook likeβ gay/lesbian relationships and if your support goes away for nblm + nblw relationships that βlook straightβ then congrats, youβre nbphobic!