Tag: dw spoilers

lesbiantwelve:

extreme shit tier: the timeless child is river and the doctor’s baby

shit tier: the timeless child is river or jack harkness

okay but i would prefer not tier: the timeless child is jenny from that one tennant episode

okay tier: the timeless child is the doctor or the master

good tier: the timeless child is susan foreman

god tier: the timeless child is adric

season 11 of dw is kind of mincing it’s morals so far i think.

in ‘the woman who fell to earth’, the villain kills about 6 people. he’s trying to kill one randomly selected person. that random person tries to push the Bad Guy Alien off a crane, and the doctor scolds him for trying to kill. nobody should take a life, that’s very clear. the doctor then tricks him into killing himself with his own bombs things. i guess there’s the plausible deniability that he pressed the button himself, but that’s if you ignore that it was the doctor’s one plan to stop him. they asked nicely to get him to leave the planet, and then, there was no backup plan except for that plausible deniability murder. which they had to have been planning for nearly half the episode, since before the data transfer.

in ‘the ghost monument’, episode 2, we get reintroduced to why the doctor never carries a gun. but the scene is about surviving the killer robots. the message here isn’t about Not Taking A Life, it’s just. guns are bad, even as a tool, even in a situation with no life to be taken. t isn’t about the importance of life at all. i get that self defence isn’t a real excuse for murder, but, they’re robots. the show was very clear that these were robots. i kind of just wish the doctor would be honest and say ‘guns don’t work on this show for plot reasons’, because that’s what really happens. or even something like ‘guns aren’t effective here’ because it wasn’t about morality here. no one could argue that ryan is a bad person for trying to protect everyone from killer robots, but that’s kind of what the doctor tried to do.

and later in the episode, the set of Bad Guy Aliens this time are killed in a gas explosion that the doctor planned out. it gave us a clear Life Is Sacred message in front of the mindless drones, and then pulled out on that message for the evil ribbon things, who seemed to be pretty alive. they could talk, and they seemed very intelligent. did their lives matter? did they not count because they were engineered to be evil? and is using a gun really worse than burning something to death? it’s kind of assumed the ribbon things are irredeemable, that they must die, but we aren’t told that in any words at all. which in itself is strange, because already this season we’ve heard so much about the importance of not taking a life, except now it’s okay when the doctor forgets to mention it.

it really feels like so far the message that All Life Is Important has a clock set on it, to run out in the last few minutes of the episode. because the Bad Guy Alien still has to die to wrap up everything neatly. that’s been the only resolution these episodes have had yet.

i’m of course not saying that any previous doctor had a totally consistent sense of morality. and the show has never been consistent with the rule of ’never carrying a gun’, which was only really invented for the 10th doctor. but, i don’t think it’s been so glaring to me before that the doctor was saying one thing and doing another. or even saying and doing things that don’t make sense in the narrative at all. it’s like the show is telling us it’s about Always Finding Another Way, and then killing the bad guys anyway. 

obese-rhys:

scriptscribbles:

I can’t believe they referenced the Voord cybermen origin story though

Last week: Spare Parts isn’t canon anymore, a shame because it was always the definitive one, but let’s just see how this new proper one turns out.
Today: spare parts is canon, world shapers is canon, world enough and time is canon, david banks cyberman book is canon, target novelisation’s cybermen introduction paragraph is canon. Any cyberman origin is canon.

gaybillpotts:

thedetectivetimelady:

gaybillpotts:

thedetectivetimelady:

gaybillpotts:

even if bill survives thru next week, the fact that this cliffhanger happened will feel like a stab in the face as if moffats laughing at young black/gay people so used to seeing themselves die on tv they expected it so when she dies its a “cool plot twist” fuck off

I blame it on the obsession with the New Series on companions having to die. I mean, only Martha was back on Earth with her memories intact. On the other hand, that was the norm for the Classic Series, and not the exception.

none of the new companions have died, only arguably amy and rory but that was of old age after having lived their lives so ???

They didn’t go back to their normal lives, that’s what I meant.

well yh i was talking abt them dying horrifically so

it’s never really been addressed how John Simm’s master traumatised Martha Jones’ entire family and made them Actual Slaves, and if this was a show that actually had continuity and it should really have the Doctor and Bill actually sit down to have a serious talk about racism if we’re going to have this whole “is Missy turning good?” question over our heads

Bill is not going to die. Moffat has gone above and beyond bringing representation into the show and killing off Bill would be career suicide for him. Also people are angry because even if Bill lives she still suffered. Yeah because we should never let bad things happen to protagonists! That’s not how writing works.

scriptscribbles:

Characters need obstacles to over come and handling those who are in the minority with kid gloves never letting bad thing happen to them pisses me off. I’m a bisexual woman and I would feel insulted if characters that represented me in the media never suffered and were written to be perfect and happy all the time. Sorry for the rant just this fandom will be the end of me.

I think people are just scared and vulnerable because she isn’t straight and because queer characters so often get treated disproportianately badly by the narrative. So her dying, despite likely in no way being the end of her story, and, hell, her still being active in the narrative the whole way through, bears a lot more weight. It shouldn’t. Lke you say, it’s not reasonable to write LGBT characters in a bubble, either. It’s just a risky and politically charged space for any narrative, and without the rest of the story, I’m not too surprised people are panicking. Hell, I feel worried myself. A part of me fears that, after all people have gone on and on about wanting permanent death (ugh, I could not disagree more with that criticism), Moffat just decided to go for it on his last outing. But nothing of the presentation here suggests that’s what it’s going for. Bill’s getting shot isn’t an ending. It’s a plot point, crucial just for setting up the last leg of this journey. And Bill’s own life will be an ongoing part of that, not an abrupt, characterless ending. Hell, even look at Sherlock. I’m not happy Mary was killed off, but it was in an episode all about everything she is. Whereas, frankly, this is very light on exploring Bill beyond her immediate situation. It would not make sense for this to be her final fate.

Of course, this isn’t the end of Bill. We can still see her. She’s still there. And we can even hear her voice in the TV trailer for The Doctor Falls. She’s going through hell, yes, but that is where drama comes from. I expect in the next part she will survive and have more agency. The first parts of finales, they’re the darkest hour. Amy getting shot by Rory, Danny getting converted from beyond the grave, the Doctor mourning Clara, these are not happy story moments. But they are vital to the journey. If Bill is at all being represented fairly, this isn’t the last we’ve seen of her. And to me, all signs suggest that will be the case. We haven’t seen the rest of her, and this isn’t the story of her death. As the pre-titles inform us, it’s the story of the Doctor’s.