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terfs have picked up the rhetoric that the AIDS crisis was /The/ defining moment for the community, and that’s why there’s absolutely no room for ace or aro people in the LGB community, because they weren’t at risk. let that sink in for a moment. The LGB community.

they’re erasing the fact trans women, most especially trans women of colour and sex workers, are still the highest-risk group for HIV.

i’m done. TWERFs can die. SWERFs who want to eradicate sex work before eradicating poverty can die. Ace ‘exclusionists’ giving them more ideas on how to exclude trans women can delete your shit sideblogs now and think real hard about what you’re doing, thanks

Also, a short list of reasons TERFs absolutely love reframing LGBT as SGA:

– it’s framing bi and pan people as a burden on the resources of the True SGAs.
– It frames bi people’s belonging as conditional, they can belong so long as they’re not dating the opposite gender.
– This is what TERFs have been trying to do to bi women forever, framing all sex with men as rape and bi women as gullible idiots who need to become a Properly Gay for their own safety
– it’s framing trans people as hitching a ride onto the SGA community.
– it’s framing straight trans people as the Privileged Invaders.
– It erases the sexualities of nonbinary people without same or similar genders, because they mustn’t really exist, right. if anything, they’re anomalies who don’t really belong.

Reframing the root cause of our oppression as SGA, instead of our /actual identities as an oppressed class/, is completely in line with what TERFs have been doing since the 70s, you gullible fucks. you can write ‘No TERFs’ on your blog as much as you like but it doesn’t stop them reblogging your posts. You need to block each one on sight. TERF blogs are still full of your rhetoric. Stop feeding the monsters.

if TERFs have reblogged your aphobe posts, message them to delete it, publically call them out, spam them, shame them. and if you feel the need to write more posts about excluding aces, think ‘could this idea also be used against trans women, bi people or nonbinary people?’ because it usually will.

@protectlgbtkids the short version is yes. If TERFs agree with something you say then that’s a damn solid reason to sit back and reconsider your stance.

As clearly as I can explain this: The idea that there is a Spectre of very privileged, abusive people wanting to creep into the LGBTI/Queer community has never benefited anyone but TERFs and abusers. That spectre has always had a changing face, and at various points in our history it’s looked like aces, aros, bis, pans, trans women ofc, nonbinaries with *sparkly* genders, nonbinaries with complicated genders, nondysphoric trans people, straight trans people, trans people as a whole, the MOGAIs, people who use the split attraction model. all of these groups have had Big Discourses against them in the last few years, All of them groups explicitly hated by TERFs especially.

peak TERFs will even say the exact same about cis gay men: that they’re abusers, creeps, bringing misogyny into their precious LG community. This is to illustrate the level of Fucked Up we’re dealing with here, they think homophobia doesn’t matter if you have male privilege.

I know that this isn’t a thing anyone outside hardcore TERFs actually believes, and i’m sure as fuck not saying i think exclusionists believe this. but exclusionism does strengthen TERF arguments. say like, if we decide that there shouldn’t be an A at the end of LGBTIA, because aces can be cishet, that means TERFs are justified when they say that we should kick out other groups for being too privileged. As i said, that’s everyone. TERFs define oppression structures so that they’re at the very bottom. here’s a good post by queeranarchism that explains what exclusionists are doing: creating such an Us vs the Cishets mentality that it can be used to justify toxic behaviour. This is, funnily enough, exactly how TERFs have operated since Day 1. TERFs thrive on the idea that excluding people will make a safer space. They posit men, bi women, trans women, aces and anyone who has politics they don’t like (read: mogai and Queer) as people making the world unsafe for young cis lesbians. That’s why every time you make the basic argument that “X group is privileged and undeserving of resources/community/having a voice”, it will always strengthen their arguments.

like. if you want to prove to me that TERFs don’t fucking love exclusionist arguements, go ahead. like, if you find a second inclusionist TERF other than uninucleus i might actually seriously reconsider my stance. but like, every TERF blog i’ve seen in about a year has had shit mocking ace people on their blog. there’s blocklists going around with hundreds and hundreds of TERFs on the exclusionist side, so like, you must understand on some level that this is a problem.

anyway, just from my terf tag, here’s a terf saying trans people are as bad for the community as cishet aces

and here’s a much better masterpost of how excursionist rhetoric strengthens TERFs, including TERFs straight up thinking exclusionist posts were meant to be about trans women, and TERFs recruiting aphobes. so… TLDR exclusionism is gross even as a concept and your side has done absolutely nothing to stop from being co-opted and used by TERFs

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Honestly “queer” is so useful for people like me w/ a “complicated orientation” b/c instead of having to say I’m “asexual panromantic” and explain what that means, I can just say “I’m queer” and it tells you all you need to know (that I’m not straight).

yeah sure good for you but don’t ever ever use that word for someone who doesn’t identify as it themselves, it’s not an umbrella term for everyone. also “pan/ace” would definitely work, even if you don’t want to use it, other people could. i use ace lesbian and definitely not the q slur.

Wow its almost like they were just talking about using it on themselves for individual reasons and you butted in to be an ass and be condescending because you think you’re superior for not using queer, then you called their identity a slur right to them. But that can’t possibly be what you were trying to do, right?

Anyone is allowed to use it for themselves, I never said no one should do that if that’s what they want. Queer is a slur though. I just want people to be aware of that, I have no idea if OP is aware of that or not but some people using that word aren’t. I’m tired of people including me and other people who don’t want to be included in that word, and before anyone asks, I never meant that OP did that, because I literally have no idea if they do.

Queer is a slur as much as any other LGBT+ word, I just want you to be aware of that.

“Gay” is used as an insult. It is used to be demeaning. Its used to discriminate. And yet its used as the all mighty umbrella – gay rights, gay marriage, gay community – when discussing the entire community.

Gay gets used as a slur. Queer gets used as a slur. But I don’t walk up to gay people and say “your identity is a slur, you know that right” or get pissed when they say “the gay community” when they mean the whole community.

Personal identity and preference in terms, even harmful words that get used as slurs, are not questioned; except for the word Queer.

Queer gets shut down. Queer people get others in their faces saying “your identity is a slur!” Queer people don’t have the freedom to identify in a community, but are forced under other terms against their will due to hypocrisy and double standards.

So if you’re not going to come onto gay people’s posts for the same behavior, maybe critically analyze why exactly you feel the need to be so condescending to Queer people, specifically on posts that ONLY have to do with personal identity. Why you feel the need to insist to Queer people that their identities are slurs, to directly slap away the power of reclaiming a word from them by demanding it remain in the hands of the Straights as a perpetual slur.

I think an important difference between gay and queer is however, that queer started out as a slur used against members of the community and continues to be used as a slur in many places. Whereas gay began as a word the community chose itself to describe itself and was then later used by homophobes and heterosexuals in general in a negative way, meaning however, that gay doesn’t hold the same negative connotations as queer for many people simply because it was our word that they took, and not a word that they forced on us to make us “strange” or “other” like queer means.

That’s…. Not true. People think so because the history before gay was reclaimed is way older (older than any love community member’s lifetimes, probably,) but gay had the exact same origins.

It was meant to denote sexually perverse people, most frequently sex workers and those who hired them. Anyone who participated in anything but married, vanilla, straight sex might have been referred to as “gay,” including any suspected LGBT person.

The word (already being one frequently used on the community,) was reclaimed as a community identifier when the community wanted to disconnect from the clinical and diagnostic implications of “homosexual.”

There is record of queer being reclaimed and used as a personal identifier literally before the popularization of gay. Both words are reclaimed slurs with negative histories, and BOTH are used as slurs against the community still to this day.

The more recent history of the mid to late 20th century more prevalently favored queer as a slur, as is represented in our media. However its clearly undeniable that the switch back to gay as the popular community slur (along with the ever present f slur,) happened in the 2000s. Which is trying to be denied and rewritten by the anti queer crowd, who completely ignore the words popularity with community members who actually lived through when it was a popular slur.

Yes to all of this. When it comes to words for “not straight” there are hardly any choices that didn’t originate as ways to stigmatize or pathologize us. We are all using reclaimed slurs to describe ourselves.

Also, queer is reclaimed in a particularly empowering way. It doesn’t just mean “same-sex attraction” but encompasses a whole spectrum of attractions and gender orientations. It’s a word that says to asexuals, pansexuals, bisexuals, trans folks, genderfluid and genderqueer and genderless folks and people who are still figuring themselves out, “hey, you’ve got a home here. We don’t need to categorize you to love you.”

This is important because there are a lot of divisions within the LGBTQ+ world, and in particular cis gay men and cis lesbians often overlook or exclude trans, bi and asexual people. Queer is the only word that not only demands equal acceptance for everyone, but leaves the door open for words and descriptors that haven’t even been invented yet.

Somebody else pointed this out earlier to me, and of course I’ve lost the post, but it’s really suspicious that of all the reclaimed slurs, the one that gets the most pushback is the one that is most radically accepting of all identities

“hey, you’ve got a home here. We don’t need to categorize you to love you.”

Lmao yeah! the pushback against this idea is overt and disgusting and I don’t trust anybody who perpetuates it.

Queer is an ideology and an identity, historically and now. It is an umbrella for that ideology and an umbrella for those identities, historically and now. They can’t be conflated (with LGBT) and it’s super fucking disingenuous to pretend one is just the tarnished besmirched dirty slur version of the other. They’re different. In my particular work for example, Queer bioethics is different from LGBT bioethics and conflating the two will muddle any discussion you try to have about them because they lead to literally opposite conclusions in some cases.

Yeah I freaking love pancakes

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By far the best addition to this post

This is one of those things where I feel like an old.

Like, *the* slogan I associate with pride is, “We’re here, we’re queer – get used to it!”

There was a TV show called “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” that was total mainstream pap. (Not that the show wasn’t riddles problematic elements from the concept out, but ‘queer’ in the title was clearly meant as a positive.)

I just have a hard time processing queer as anything but reclaimed.

They actually shot “Queer As Folk” in my city!

TERFs and radical gender/sexuality bianarists are flooding social media and blogging sites with propaganda smearing the word queer in the hopes of silencing all of us who don’t identify with their hate politics. I fought hard to reclaim the word queer in the late 80s and early 90s, and it’s the one word that doesn’t worship exclusion. Which is why these people are trying to convince you not to use it. fuck that noise. there is literally no word i could use to identify my sexuality that hasn’t been thrown at me in hatred, fear, and violence. No way am I giving up the one of those that allows me to talk about all of my community without trying to put people in boxes they don’t fit in.

I will never not reblog this post. Queer, queer, queer here.

“Queer” has been claimed by queer people as a self-descriptor since at least 1910. It’s an insult to those historical people (and all the generations of queer historical people who have identified as queer since then) to pretend that the people using it as a slur owned it more than the queer people who used it as a self-descriptor.

Source: George Chauncey, “Gay New York,” page 101

They don’t want us to use queer because they don’t want to be lumped in with anyone who’s not cis gay or cis lesbian. So fine. You don’t like the word queer? You don’t want to be in the “queer” community? Get the fuck out, then. Y’all don’t welcome us in your community anyway, so we’ll just have our own.

And it’ll be queer as fuck.

I fucking love the word queer ❤

Or, to put it another way, using a great old slogan of the community: I’m not gay as in happy, I’m queer as in fuck you.

Yes yes yes yes yes! These younglings today don’t know their queer history but feel so free to comment on it. Trying so desperately to assimilate into straight culture by turning your nose up at queer, and all the people who take refuge under its umbrella. Queer accepted me when nobody else would, not even the LGBT groups.

Queer is full of the types of people who don’t make good poster children for the middle class assimilationist cis gay couple just looking to get married and have some kids. Queer forces us to realize the fight didn’t end with gay marriage, and cis gays are gonna have to step out of the spotlight sometimes, and realize cis gays have privilege, and fight for someone with less. Trans people, nonbinary people, people in nontraditional relationship structures, aromantics, asexuals, sex workers. Heck more and more bisexual people these days are switching over to queer because the amount of biphobia in the so-called lgBt community is so alienating, and also because so many of us feel the term bisexual reinforces a false gender dichotomy and we’re too tired of jokes about kitchenware to use pansexual.

Part of what I love about the term queer is that it does make people uncomfortable. It makes them aware of their privilege, exposes certain biases, even within the LGBT community. What’s so wrong with a movement that strives to fight for everybody, huh? Huh?

Proudly bi, proudly queer, and being part of this movement when I was young was an honor.

This is the post that changed my mind about “queer” I still have a knee jerk “ugh” reaction to it Bc of personal life experience but I understand it a lot more now. And sometimes I feel like queer is a good word to use for me.

Idk like personally dont care about the use of queer as a descriptor i do have a problem of people trying to push the boundaries of lesbians. Like if the queer community can get over the discust and pearl cluching because lesbians have attraction solely for the same sex. Like its not even their business but they want to be lesbians. I am really confused as to why they want to look down on us but want to take all of our words as their own descriptions. Also i have a serious problem with kink culture being considered queer. If that misogynistic garbage pile of getting off on harming women is queer than take your whole movement and go.

i was worried for this person that they might be inadvertently absorbing some TERF ideology from someone they follow: They’re actually a practicing Dianic wiccan in the year 2017,

anyway terf, trans lesbians are lesbians, and no queer person in the world actually considers kink to be queer. trying to associate queerness with misogyny and violence is nothing more than a tired, tired old terf tactic to discourage people from reclaiming queer, a word with strong ties to trans history and culture, so, we can guess why you don’t like it. and please for the love of fuck update your theories, the 70s are over. the second wave of feminism died of natural causes and it’s getting really embarrassing for you to be rehashing all of this decades past its used by date.

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colour-code your infants so strangers know what their genitals look like

this is THE WORST idea anyone has ever had on this site. ever.

yeah you’re right……haha……..imagine some sort of dystopia where newborns were dressed in certain colours according to their genitals……….jeez……..how fucked up would that be……..how could I have ever come up with something so silly

When you put it like that it sounds fucked up but it’s so hard to tell whether a baby is a boy or a girl until they become a toddler… it’s just so people can be polite and use the correct pronoun. I swear to god if you say some shit about babies possibly being trans I will come to your house and have a respectful debate about it

it’s almost like i’m transgender imagine that

it’s almost like you, a cis person, have no say over trans rights

All Babies Are Trans sorry cis people

I’m in your house, injecting your babies with hormones. Which hormones, you ask? every hormone at once. Now your precious 2 month old infant has Big Hairy Titties. They’re now bigger than it’s infant head and still growing. and chest hair like a gorilla. Your child already has a thick, Stalin-esque moustache. ‘my god,’ you plead, ‘stop it, they’re just a child! get your Trans off of my beautiful cis baby!’

I do a sweet backflip out the nursery window. I’ll never be caught, I’ll never pay for my crimes against the cis. ‘Mama?’ your baby asks for you, for the first time. But it’s horrifying, they have a voice deep as Barry White’s, but it has the Gay Accent now. What have they done to you? You pick up the child from their crib, cradle them in your arms. You fumble a little; partly because your hands are shaking from trauma, partly because you’re not used to picking up an infant with such enormous titties. We’re talking quadruple D’s. You say, through tears, ‘thank the Cisgendered God Above that all of this is superficial. We can fix what that sick Trans has done to you. On the inside, I know deep down, you’re still exactly as Cis as the day we assigned you that Binary gender.’ but you were too late. I had already done my worst: i got all up in your kid’s chromosomes. Swapped some around, added a few here and there. XX? XY? Never heard of them. Now your kid has QWERTYUIOP. Some of the chromosomes aren’t even in the Latin alphabet. One of your kid’s chromosomes is now the poop emoji.

You realise what I’ve done. It’ll take the Best, most absolutely unbiased Doctor in the world to unscramble the mess i made and put your kid back into the right gender, or sex or whatever it is these days. Sure, there’s a 50-50 chance, you think to yourself, but what if the doctors put them back into the wrong one? You dismiss the thought almost as soon as it appears. Surely you can trust your own child to remain cis for as long as it lives? Surely? More thoughts flood into your head. What about my child’s future reproductive capabilities??? You let out a bloodcurdling scream that can be heard for miles. What did you do to deserve this? Everything. Cis is a thoughtcrime now.

I landed on my feet and kept going, running. Where am I going? To the maternity ward. I have a bag of baby-sized chest binders and My First™ Itty-Bitty Ultra-Realistic Strap-on Penises to distribute amongst the newborns. After that I’m going to poison the town’s water supplies with the most dangerous chemicals known to Trans kind: puberty blockers. I won’t stop, I can’t stop, until I’ve transitioned Every Baby In The World. Every day more cis people make more Obviously Cis Babies, every day more work. It’s a thankless job, but if I don’t do it, who will?