im just here to say that equating lesbians (especially butch lesbians!) with straight men is, in any context, inherently lesbophobic and i don’t see how something that simple is apparently so difficult for some people to understand! thanks for listening have a good night
since this post blew up overnight and i’ve seen some terfs reblogging it i’d like the take this opportunity to add that equating trans lesbians (once again, especially butch trans lesbians!) with men is especially vile and if you’re a terf get the fuck off my post and go be a pointless excuse for a human being somewhere else because you’re not welcome here and never will be. bye!
Tag: TERFism
[Most American feminists’] belief…in a ‘prehistory’ when women created civilization (because of a biological predisposition) while the coarse and brutal men hunted (because of a biological predisposition) is symmetrical with the biologizing interpretation of history produced now by the class of men….Furthermore, not only is this conception still imprisoned in the categories of sex (woman and man), but it holds onto the idea that the capacity to give birth (biology) is what defines a woman…By doing this…[n]ot only to we naturalize history, but also consequently we naturalize the social phenomena which express our oppression, making change impossible.
le corps lesbien: “one is not born a woman”, in which lesbian feminist monique wittig brutally drags tw/efism through the mud six years before it even became relevant (via pustluk)
TRANS WOMEN HAVE NOT EVER BEEN SHOWN TO BE AS VIOLENT AS MEN
Many “gender critical” people on this website like to site a 2011 Swedish study to claim that trans women have the same rates of violence as cisgender men. This claim is a gross misreading and should be challenged whenever seen. Below I will be showing quotes from one of the researchers from the study showing exactly how wrong the “gender critical” claim is.
For starters the study found that women who transitioned from 1989-2003 did not even demonstrate a male pattern of criminality let alone anything close to the same pattern of violence. Which means that the claim of trans women being as violent as cisgender men is definitely false as a general statement for all the women who transitioned from 1989 onward.
The study as a whole covers the period between 1973 and 2003. If one divides the cohort into two groups, 1973 to 1988 and 1989 to 2003, one observes that for the latter group (1989 – 2003), differences in mortality, suicide attempts and crime disappear. This means that for the 1989 to 2003 group, we did not find a male pattern of criminality.
However we also need to look at another key distortion of the facts that the “gender critical” camp manufactured. Pattern of Criminality does not mean the same thing as pattern of violence. Even the trans women in the 1973-1988 group were not shown to exhibit the same rates of violence that cisgender men do. What the study actually does show is that prior to 1989 trans women were being convicted at the same rate as cisgender men, not for the same crimes.
As to the criminality metric itself, we were measuring and comparing the total number of convictions, not conviction type. We were not saying that cisgender males are convicted of crimes associated with marginalization and poverty. We didn’t control for that and we were certainly not saying that we found that trans women were a rape risk.
The idea that trans women are just as likely to rape as cis men is a lie. It is a lie which has become a central tenet of denying trans women access to life saving shelter and community and this lie needs to be confronted where ever it tries to take root. Whenever you see this lie, shine a light on it because it can only grow in the dark.
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If anyone tries to claim that trans women are as violent or dangerous as men, they are lying to your face.
Considering the sheer number of trans women forced to do sex work to survive (which is still criminalized even now in 2015), being arrested and convicted of a “crime” in 1989 is not a good metric for whether a group is violent.
@motherbychoice This was the article/study Jilly was using. Here’s like, more info on it (and how it’s shit).
we’ve been arrested at the same rates as men while committing far less crime. that makes more sense 
i zeriously don’t give a shit if you’re lesbian and say that you’re penis-repulsed or that you never want to have penetrative sex like obviously these are very very personal things and you have every right to dictate where your personal limits lie with regards to intimacy and sex.
like for REAL there are trans women who are penis-repulsed, who don’t want their own penis touched sexually at all (due to dysphoria or otherwise), who don’t want to have sex at all, who don’t want to have penetrative sex (receiving or giving), And of course there are also trans women who DO want all of these things…
(And there are trans women with a penis who are unable to penetrate or maintain an erection due to HRT or orchiectomy or otherwise, And there are trans women With A Fully Functioning Vagina That Is Physically Indistinguishable From An Average Cis Woman’s Vagina, but i digress…)but the PROBLEM lies in the fact that people view trans women as a monolith! The problem lies in the fact that people assume that trans women are all just the same as the stereotype that you have built up in your minds! The stereotype of trans women as: a deceptive predatory sexually voracious straight man who will do anything to have sex with cis lesbians!
It’s not a problem for you to have your personal boundaries regarding intimacy and sex! What is a problem is when you have a malicious ideology against trans women and place your personal boundaries into this rubric. There is nothing forcing you to do that. There is nothing forcing you to apply malicious misinformation and stereotypes to trans women. There is nothing forcing you to call transgender women male, or men, or trannies, or transmale, or male-to-trans, or transwomen, (as a distinct and separate category from “Real” cis women!!) it is cruel and bigoted and transmisogynist for you to do these things.
However I will never concede the fact that stereotypes influence how you perceive people! And as a corollary to this fact, I can certainly say that there is transmisogyny among cis people. There IS a major phenomenon of straight men, lesbians, and bi/pan people, of any gender, viewing trans women as disgusting and ugly and undateable and To Be Avoided DUE TO STEREOTYPES AGAINST TRANS WOMEN.
This is not simply an issue that has regards to dating, obviously, it is something that informs all social interactions that other people have with trans women.
And, before you twefs jump in with “not being dated isn’t oppression!” I am going to pre-empt you and state that this is a similar issue to how straight women are homophobic towards bisexual men and avoid them and refrain from socializing with them or dating them, this is a similar issue to how white women and men are racist towards black men and avoid them and refrain from socializing with them or dating them.
Not equating these issues, just pointing out that social avoidance IS a part of interpersonal oppression against marginalized groups.My position is that stereotypes and social norms inform behavior towards trans women and you have to take responsibility for how your bigoted rhetoric impacts the people it’s leveled against.
Bi and straight radfems are allllllways talking about how disgusting trans women are and it generally seems that they don’t even have any trans women as friends let alone date them, and I can’t help but beg the question: You don’t actually truly view us as men, do you? In fact, to you, we must be something different than men because you treat us terribly different than you treat men. You treat us much worse than you treat men, which is a major failure of your supposedly self-identified man-hating agenda. Get good, frankly.
Another pre-emptive statement before someone makes an ugly and unnecessary comment: I’m engaged and have been monogamous for 7 years so this is literally not a weird ideological quest for romantic contact for me, regardless of how so-called radical feminists might twist my words.
The specter of male privilege has long since been a way to deny trans women’s womanhood and basic humanity. Invoking male privilege is often meant to imply that trans women don’t know what it is like to live as “real” women — that we have not suffered the way other women have suffered, that we have not been disenfranchised by patriarchy because of our genders, and that our early experiences allow us access to forms of social power which influence how we move through the world even after we transition. This argument, beyond hinging all of womanhood on a relatively singular experience of suffering, has often been used to flatten the vast array of different life experiences among trans women and other transfeminine-spectrum people. At worst, it contributes to a culture of violence, harassment, exclusion, and erasure that presents a real threat to the lives and physical safety of the most marginalized among us.
Trans Women Shouldn’t Have To Constantly Defend Their Own Womanhood | Morgan M. Page for BuzzFeed
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This is an incredible piece, do not just read this quote and reblog and go about your day. This piece is thorough and chock full of LGBTQIPA history that needs to be understood.
(via supericelight)
also @ other radfems
what are your thoughts on trans people using the bathroom they pass in? personally i would be okay with a passing tw in the womens room because if they look to be female (size, bone structure, mannerisms, etc) it seems like there is a way smaller chance that they have weird intentions and a way higher chance that they just want to pee without being harassed themselves in the mens room. i start being uncomfortable when people that are clearly “male” or “manly” want to come in the womens room when their presence is obviously intimidating. same with a passing trans man, if they look super manly and i thought they were male i would be uncomfortable seeing them in the ladies room.
thoughts?
EFF u on not touching because trans women aside this is EFFing horrible and a great big ole elitist slam against GNC women that don’t have passing privilege!
Wow you’re garbage.
How does someone say they want to abolish gender yet they straight up say they feel uncomfortable going to the bathroom with someone that doesn’t look like the same gender as them according to society???
tag yourself i’m “female bone structure” because fuck anyone who dares to transition as an adult
i’m “trans activists not giving a fuck about female safety”
i’m ‘deciding how dangerous a trans woman is by her size, bone structure and mannerisms’ you disgusting fuck? do u think my bone structure makes me dangerous? am i more dangerous if i don’t shave my legs, what about my looks is possibly making me more or less dangerous?
sorry butch women but the ladies room says ‘you must be this conventionally feminine to enter’
also @ other radfems
what are your thoughts on trans people using the bathroom they pass in? personally i would be okay with a passing tw in the womens room because if they look to be female (size, bone structure, mannerisms, etc) it seems like there is a way smaller chance that they have weird intentions and a way higher chance that they just want to pee without being harassed themselves in the mens room. i start being uncomfortable when people that are clearly “male” or “manly” want to come in the womens room when their presence is obviously intimidating. same with a passing trans man, if they look super manly and i thought they were male i would be uncomfortable seeing them in the ladies room.
thoughts?
EFF u on not touching because trans women aside this is EFFing horrible and a great big ole elitist slam against GNC women that don’t have passing privilege!
Wow you’re garbage.
How does someone say they want to abolish gender yet they straight up say they feel uncomfortable going to the bathroom with someone that doesn’t look like the same gender as them according to society???
tag yourself i’m “female bone structure” because fuck anyone who dares to transition as an adult
if ‘female socialisation’ is a horrible, harmful thing for cis women and trans women, wouldn’t ‘male socialisation’ also be harmful for cis men and especially trans women? surely being indoctrinated into gender roles under the patriarchy is bad, even if those gender roles are telling you that you’re (expected to be) good and strong and powerful? because this socialisation is still hurting even cis men, they have problems dealing with emotions and anger issues into adulthood because it was never taught to them as kids.
like i honestly don’t get if TERFs are pro-socialisation or against. They make it very clear that ‘female socialisation’ is a harmful patriarchal system that harms ‘females’ from birth (including of course the trans men they’re misgendering). it’s described very clearly as trauma.
but trans women need to be demonised for undergoing the exact same thing? told we’re as bad as cis men when we’re actively trying to unlearn it? told we benefit from it, as if we’ve been built to be good little patriarchal servants, as if we haven’t had psychological scars from the process. u can’t imagine this socialisation is a good thing for us. u can’t imagine any trans girl wanted it.
so maybe…. stop attacking trans women as if we benefit from our childhoods. and if u really hate ‘female socialisation’, u should probably stand with trans people calling for gender neutral parenting, honestly.
Unpopular opinion time: A lot of the hate Ayn Rand gets is because she was a womyn. The shit she says about self interest actually is very similar to other theories men have put forward and it is very telling that that is the thing she is most hated for. The number of “Ayn Rand hates children” jokes I see is just gross because like, when does a man ever get that shit? She is called rude, unemotional, ugly, unloving and basically a failed womyn by leftist men. And this is obvious misogyny? A million men advocate for the free market and of course Ayn Rand is the one that is hated because she was a womyn who interrupts men in interviews and advocates self interest!
At the end of the day a womyn advocating self interest and relationships based not on self sacrifice but on what you want and get fulfillment from is terrifying to leftist men because…well, what would that actually mean for womyn?
we don’t need to make fun of weird radfem terf tumblr anymore, they are mocking themselves with shit like this
defend ayn rand uwuw
“leftist men only hate here cause she is a womyn uwu”
i am at a loss of words how ridiculous this is.
“People only hate Thatcher because she’s female, not because she and Ronald Reagan were neoconservative imperialist besties.” – terf tumblr 2020
she advocated poor and queer women starving to death, what a wholesome radical womyn
this is ‘im not like those other girls’ as an ideology tbh
why do terfs call themselves “radical” when they’re just upholding the status quo
like how do they sit there and think “calling trans women men is a wild new concept that we are very revolutionary for saying”
Bigger question why do they call themselves “feminists”
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