Excuse me? I don’t know what planet you live on but it’s been my experience that trans women are overwhelmingly supportive of abortion rights. Maybe the reason why you don’t see droves of trans women at your pro-choice rallies is because we’re a tiny, marginalized minority among women so maybe there just aren’t a lot of trans women to turn out in the first place.
Oh yeah… and the fact that for the last several decades people like you have been doing your damnedest to make mainstream feminist spaces–like your aforementioned pro-choice rallies–as hostile as possible towards trans women.
Talk about a goddamn catch-22, eh?
Oh yeah… and while I’m at it I should point out that aside from lack of abortion access–turns out we cant conceive boy howdy what a privilege!–every single feminist issue I can possibly think of from rape to domestic violence to sex trafficking hits trans women hard.
Wonder why trans women aren’t front-and-center at your local women’s shelter? Maybe it’s because we’re too busy scrambling to put together resources of our own that you would have taken for granted sixty years ago because someone went and decided to make the resources you seem to be asking us to help you run inaccessible to us when we need them.
If you’re really pro-choice, and say you support a woman’s right to choose, you better fucking support a trans woman’s right to have hrt and get srs if she so desires.
(I know I’m going to get hate for this.)
nah
a man wanting to a get boob implants for cosmetic reasons and to fulfill his autogynephilic kink is in no way in the same level or comparable to a traumatized rape victim wanting to get rid of the pregnancy that resulted from the sexual abuse she experienced, pro-choice activism is in no way related and should never go hand-in-hand with transgenderism rhetoric
0/10 this is a terrible post and you should feel ashamed
You do know that *I* am not allowed to have hormones, as a post-menopausal cis woman with a family history of breast cancer? You do know the majority of post-menopausal women who now request hormones do not get them, due to fear of liability and lawsuits, etc?
The official number of post-menopausal women (in the USA) on hormones is 1 in 5, and that is why. Even if we sign papers agreeing to the liability and taking responsibility… well, they don’t offer us any. The door is closed; they are simply not going there and possibly getting sued for malpractice.
Therefore, pay attention, you are actually getting treated far better than we are. The medical establishment assumes you are intelligent enough to choose what you want and grown up enough take responsibility, but fully 80% post-menopausal women are not given these choices.
I support the rights of 1 out of 5 trans women getting hormones, the same as for post-menopausal cis women. Exactly the same. If any woman in your family has had breast cancer, instant disqualification. Tough shit.
Now, that’s equality. As it is, trans women are of course treated FAR BETTER than cis women and after their initial diagnosis, have oceans of hormones at their disposal (at megadoses I have been told would be harmful for cis women) regardless of their family histories. So cut the bullshit, please.
1 in 5 is the number for us, so that should be the number for you… agreed?
If not, why do you think you deserve to be treated better than cis women?
hm don’t u think it’s just a bit, unnatural? doesn’t it make a mokery of the women who can produce their own estrogen? doesn’t taking these manufactured chemicals and pumping them into your body make you simply a product of the modern medical industry? isn’t artificial female hormones just a defiance of natural order? aren’t hormones just optional and cosmetic and unnecessary? just saying, i thought terfs were against all this hormone stuff. but im learning more everyday!
but in all seriousness. estrogen treatment at an old age comes with significant risk to trans & cis women. trans women who medically transition over 40 are very often denied hormones if there is any history of heart disease or blood clotting disorders in the family, although antiandrogens are a different matter because they have no risk and in fact reduce the risk of many cancers. and all trans women are on progressively lower dosages as we age because estrogen treatment is a cancer risk in all women, and medical guidelines state that over around 40, estrogen supplements should be kept as little as possible. often trans women have to halt hormones completely around the age breast cancer becomes a risk factor if there’s a family history. the ‘megadoses’ you’re talking about would be dangerous only to women who are already producing estrogen, as normal estrogen levels don’t to be doubled. in fact they’re only ‘megadoses’ compared to the microdoses found in contraceptives, because they have completely different functions. if a trans woman is taking more estrogen than is in the normal range of cis women for their age, that’s generally self-medication and is harmful if left unchecked. and at every age depending on the dosage we need bloodtests every 3 to 6 months to check our liver, kidneys and to check for clots.
and the whole ‘trans women have it better’ shit that you’re pushing ignores that trans women outside the US (Nowhere else has a planned parenthood) need to go to specialists for these drugs, which have a minimum year long waiting lists, often 2 years or more, just to get into preliminary psychological testing. they often require over 10 very expensive sessions of very intrusive evaluation. the country of New Zealand had one such specialist who recently retired, and now the entire damn country is unequipped to handle trans women. this isn’t like us just being able to go to the gynecologist.
it’s really not that hard to google what attaining hormone treatment is like for trans women there’s just no need to be this wrong next time
Anyway I finally made the quiz. The was actually a p low character count of the quiz, so I had to cut a lot of the quotes down with “…” but I tried to keep the general gist of the quotes tho.
Take this quiz from a kindred spirit blog, lol transmisogyny cw obviously
This is actually hard as fuck and puts a light to terfs’ beliefs ~🐱
I spend a good amount of time arguing with terfs and I only got 3/10
I got 5 out of 10, it seems most ppl get around 3-5 right ~🐱
4 out of 10
I got 2/10. I’ve read through numerous terf posts on tumblr and spent hours arguing with conservative men on Facebook comment threads and I got 2/10 Just take a second to think about that
-Mod Ash
I got a 50% and I was in the higher percentile
wow guys really
spoilers: that one’s a TERF answer. i was surprised too, I thought it was a quote from the actual Pope. from either his ‘transgenders are the Annihilation of Man’ speech or the ‘they’re worse than nuclear weapons because they defy natural order’ speech. a bit unfair tbh
you idiot im making fun of you
no terf thinks that
thanks dude i really am going to take this to heart, just thank u for opening my eyes
Stop shaming men who like us, stop calling them gay when they’re not, stop watching dudes play us on screen.
Yes, it’s actually a deeply complicated and nearly intractable set of issues at the dangerous intersection of race, class, homophobia, misogyny, and economics, but the thing that most people can DO, right now, no matter who or where they are, is really that simple: stop shaming the men who like us, stop letting us be portrayed by men.
After years of thinking on this issue, listening to survivors of assault, reading the reports, talking to countless trans women/sex workers, that’s the heart of this. Straight men kill trans women partners because other people, and culture as a whole, says it’s gay, less masculine, to be with us.
So shut it down. Shut down every person or conversation that claims trans women are “really” men, every media depiction with men playing us.
If y’all have other ideas, I’d love to hear them. I’ve seen endless “stop trans murders” posts but no suggestions as to how, or any accountability.
do you guys see this shit
i really had to take a break from this post before coming back to reblog
like… it is gay, actually, for a male to be sexually interested in another male. but that’s ok… no one deserves to die for it. the answer isn’t to force everyone to deny reality and insist that it’s not gay. men should.. not be doing these “no homo” killings to begin with……………
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Straight men kill trans women partners because other people,
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no
hey terf? shut the fuck up. i’m in danger when i leave the fucking house because of this. did u actually have a solution to society’s treatment of trans women? or do you want to quit pretending like you or any terf are even against these killings, you gutless sack of shit?
a trans woman was beaten to death in public in broad daylight in australia this week. not to mention those of us who just go missing and don’t get news reports. not to mention those of us who are murdered and their family hides they were a trans woman in life from news sources to avoid the shame. straight men kill their trsns partners because it’s been so amazingly normalised in mainstream media. so what’s your suggestion if it’s not telling society as a whole to respect us?
and since I’ve heard from terfs that trans deaths don’t even compare to the number of women killed by their partners, why the fuck don’t you think this matters? why the fuck do you say you’re against domestic violence if you’re not willing to admit that this has been normalised for decades against trans women?
Anyway I finally made the quiz. The was actually a p low character count of the quiz, so I had to cut a lot of the quotes down with “…” but I tried to keep the general gist of the quotes tho.
Take this quiz from a kindred spirit blog, lol transmisogyny cw obviously
This is actually hard as fuck and puts a light to terfs’ beliefs ~🐱
I spend a good amount of time arguing with terfs and I only got 3/10
I got 5 out of 10, it seems most ppl get around 3-5 right ~🐱
4 out of 10
I got 2/10. I’ve read through numerous terf posts on tumblr and spent hours arguing with conservative men on Facebook comment threads and I got 2/10 Just take a second to think about that
-Mod Ash
I got a 50% and I was in the higher percentile
wow guys really
spoilers: that one’s a TERF answer. i was surprised too, I thought it was a quote from the actual Pope. from either his ‘transgenders are the Annihilation of Man’ speech or the ‘they’re worse than nuclear weapons because they defy natural order’ speech. a bit unfair tbh
Anyway I finally made the quiz. The was actually a p low character count of the quiz, so I had to cut a lot of the quotes down with “…” but I tried to keep the general gist of the quotes tho.
Take this quiz from a kindred spirit blog, lol transmisogyny cw obviously
This is actually hard as fuck and puts a light to terfs’ beliefs ~🐱
I spend a good amount of time arguing with terfs and I only got 3/10
I got 5 out of 10, it seems most ppl get around 3-5 right ~🐱
4 out of 10
I got 2/10. I’ve read through numerous terf posts on tumblr and spent hours arguing with conservative men on Facebook comment threads and I got 2/10 Just take a second to think about that
“the SEX in HOMOSEXUALITY refers to biological sex”
buddy…. …. sex is a verb
amongst humans it should only ever be a verb. u should ask yourself why u want to say ‘Females’ when ‘women’ suffices. lmao keep your animal husbandry terms the fuck away from me, satan
sex is a verb and a noun. why are you lying? i don’t want to say “females,” i’m forced to because if i just say “women” you will act like i’m talking about males as well.
Did this person seriously never take a basic science class in grade school lmao “sex is a verb” my ass.
buddy. i did. science defines male and female as sperm producers and egg producers. are we going to pretend that’s like, okay? u don’t think ‘woman’ should apply to humans as an infinitely more respectful term than producer of ova
‘this person criticises fucking highschool biology? obviously they haven’t read it the education system is flawless and unbiased’
see i was taught growing up that calling a woman a female is a one-way ticket to getting slapped. it’s well documented as a misogynist microaggression. it’s the language red-pillers are using to dehumanise women.
i’m not saying we must rewrite all medical literature. i’m just saying, i should be able to tell the difference between MRAs using misogynist language and TERFs using trans-exclusive language. i can’t believe i even have to type this but calling women female outside of medicine has always, always been a mark of disrespect in the english speaking world
also…. adjective. it’s meant to be a fucking adjective like in ‘female human’ are you straight up saying Females? like ‘that female over there’? that’s disgusting language. do u call ur mother a female? i haven’t heard ‘a truly inspiring female’ ever. or do u say woman like people who don’t sound like a 19th century misogynist but you know just keep defending your right to sound hideously off putting
“the SEX in HOMOSEXUALITY refers to biological sex”
buddy…. …. sex is a verb
amongst humans it should only ever be a verb. u should ask yourself why u want to say ‘Females’ when ‘women’ suffices. lmao keep your animal husbandry terms the fuck away from me, satan
sex is a verb and a noun. why are you lying? i don’t want to say “females,” i’m forced to because if i just say “women” you will act like i’m talking about males as well.
Did this person seriously never take a basic science class in grade school lmao “sex is a verb” my ass.
buddy. i did. science defines male and female as sperm producers and egg producers. are we going to pretend that’s like, okay? u don’t think ‘woman’ should apply to humans as an infinitely more respectful term than producer of ova
a lot of young teen lesbians on tumblr r aligning with the terf ideology without knowing properly what it stands for. so as an Older Lesbian with some 6 years of Being Out Experience i wanna clarify some things for you.
nobody is forcing you to be attracted to anyone
nobody is saying that if you aren’t attracted to [insert a trans woman name], you’re automatically transphobic and a terf. nobody is saying you have to have sex with trans girls if you aren’t attracted to them. just as nobody is saying you have to be attracted to every cis woman. and nobody is saying you have to have sex with gay girls you aren’t attracted to.
we are only asking you to respect trans women as women
and that’s really the least you could do! trans women (trans lesbians and wlw in particular) are just other girls out here trying to survive in this hetero world. and it’s hard being a lesbian already – but being a trans lesbian is so much harder. don’t make these girls feel even more alienated, don’t contribute to the hate that is turned against them.
“but i don’t wanna have sex with someone with a penis”
if you end up never sleeping with anyone w a penis, that’s okay. being a lesbian isn’t just about who you have sex with. it’s also about who you love, who you’re attracted to and who you date. and one day you might find yourself falling in love with a trans girl.
if that happens, just like in any relationship, you can negotiate your limits in sex. there’s no point in saying “i am not attracted to trans women” – because it makes it seem like trans women are inherently so much different from cis women, makes you sound like you think all trans women look/are the same and like you think of women as walking genitals. which is pretty misogynist!
so please just don’t listen to terfs. protect your trans sisters because they need it and they will always be there to support you if you support them too.
there’s TERFs in the notes of this trying to explain ‘penis privilege’ as ‘no one is trying to legislate against penises’.
trans women’s penises are absolutely legislated against. bottom surgery in many places is legally mandated for trans women to be recognised as women. A few states in Australia tried to change the law just a few months ago but was shot down by conservatives. globally, it is the norm for psychiatrists and gatekeepers to only ever allow hormones and even legal name changes to trans women who are dead set on bottom surgery in the future. bottom surgery, in most countries is very rarely covered by health insurance and usually costs $20-30k AUD. This is a measure designed to do two things: uphold the sex binary and keep trans women poor. Sex work is often the only way a trans woman can make that money in a lifetime because we’re locked out of most workplaces. ‘penis privilege’ is a statement that can only come from someone who knows absolutely nothing about trans women and how the patriarchy treats us. please google how legislation affects us next time
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