Tag: TERFism

artemiswasamerf:

clitcheese:

artemiswasamerf:

clitcheese:

terflies:

no-discourse-onlywrites:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

Uh, that’s how transwomen represent themselves, fam. Real life mimics fiction just as fiction mimics real life. 🙂

consume a lot of trans media then do u

Nah, just seen how transwomen represent themselves and seen how people try to blame “expectations of the media”. It’s kinda funny because the trans representation I’ve seen in media have been hyperfeminized versions of the same standards actual women follow. Take Lavern Cox, for example. She looks the same in OITNB as she does out of OITNB – hyperfeminized and how men think women should look. Imagine if gender roles didn’t exist and everyone was just allowed to dress and be as they were without lables. We can tell what sex people are 99% of the time by looking at them. It seems you are upset about the gender roles women have been facing for centuries – and more female sex workers are killed daily than trans sex workers are yearly. Transgenderism is a new concept, been around for less than 10 years now. Transwomen took what they “think” women should be from stereotypes without asking women what being a woman is actually like lmao. Drag Queens at least know it’s a costume and don’t pretend that they are actually women.

1) literally what is hyperfeminised about laverne cox. like, what. like, outfits she wears or. what. that she has long hair maybe? literally what about her presentation gives u that idea. or can u not name a second trans woman?

2) i can’t think of anything more demeaning than playing the Who’s Murdered Most game with you, except i guess, debating the numbers of dead sex workers with a SWERF. like, honey, my comment was on representation. it’s a concept that means, a portrayal, a fictional idea or narrative of what trans women are, usually with an underlying agenda. a narrative which you’re apparently completely immune to, oh Objective one

3) “transgenderism” was a part of many ancient religions, usually closely associated with fertility and mother goddesses. 10 years old. did you honestly think Julia Serano invented being trans in 2007. Even using an entirely transmedicalist definition, hormone therapy was pioneered in the ‘20s before nazis tried to stamp it out. so like, i can’t even imagine where u got that idea. are u a terf who seriously doesn’t know as much about trans people as the first paragraph of the wikipedia page for Transgender. are u seriously in that much of an echo chamber. were you trying to say something so amazingly incorrect to like, upset me? rile me up ? or is this some weird sort of anxiety like, you just found out terf ideology only came to being in the 1970s and decided you must have come first. not like it’s a reactionary movement that sprang to being out of a hatred for trans people, GNC people and queers, or anything like that.

or like, is this the same thing as you not understanding the concept of representation; did you think trans people only started to exist the day you first saw a mention of us. is this an issue with your object permanence? that how you see trans people must be exactly all there is to us, and that everything you know about trans people must be all there is anyone could possibly know about us.

artemiswasamerf:

clitcheese:

terflies:

no-discourse-onlywrites:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

Uh, that’s how transwomen represent themselves, fam. Real life mimics fiction just as fiction mimics real life. 🙂

consume a lot of trans media then do u

terflies:

no-discourse-onlywrites:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

wodneswynn:

The problem with TERF rhetoric is that it inverts the whole shit about misogynistic and queerphobic violence and oppression. While misogynistic violence and oppression is its own thing due to its roots in women being seen archaically as a chattel class and later a particular underclass in so many societies, misogynistic and queerphobic violence and oppression are fundamentally linked in how their relationship to patriarchy plays out: Men committing these acts of violence is so pervasive because patriarchal society deputizes men to punish people who perform some real or perceived transgression against sexist and heteronormative social conventions.

So, you’re over here talking about how I can never be a woman because I was “socialised male” when, between the two of us, you’re the one filling the man’s role.

s-notgirl:

And hey I personally fucking hate how terfs have tried to mutate lesbian culture on this site. The other day I saw someone talking about how whenever they see a blog with the lesbian pride flag in the icon, they’re uneasy or hesitant to interact/follow because of this awful trend of trans exclusionary radfems pushing wlw pride as a front for hatred, a way to boast they’re a “real lesbian, unlike all those nasty str8 women who date trans women”. It’s such an awful tactic because whenever they repost something sapphic, something about loving women, something that should be so good and wholesome and proud, that you should never have to question whether the intentions of it are cruel, they’re doing it spitefully, they’re not saying “i love loving women” they’re saying “i only respect those who I deem to be REAL women” and they’re turning pride into a discreet statement of hate. Lesbian culture and spaces are for all lesbians, and the fact that someone showing “too much pride” is now cause for suspicion is disgusting! But make no mistake, this isn’t the fault of anyone but terfs. This isn’t lesbians and trans women being lesbophobic, I agree that it’s absolutely terrible for lesbians to see wlw pride and immediately feel suspicious, but it’s not their fault, it is the fault of the people who are trying to slip into these communities and spread their poison by putting up a front of love and pride.

Stop taking a community based on love and pride and affection and trying to turn it into your platform for hate. These wlw communities are not for you. You cannot say you love women and then turn around and dedicate your entire online presence to hating women.

pustluk:

pustluk:

hey did you know that socially transitioning kids are actually far less likely than their peers to believe in gender stereotypes? almost like no one is telling them they have to be girls because they like dresses or have to be boys because they want to play with the truck………

…at the mean level,
transgender children and siblings endorsed gender stereotypes
less than unrelated children in the control group (7); at ages
6–8, this difference was significant. Transgender children and
their siblings were significantly less likely to endorse gender
stereotypes than unrelated children, and they believed that gender
nonconformity in peers was more acceptable than unrelated
children did

(8).

olson kr & gĂźlgĂśz s (2017). early findings from the transyouth project: gender development in transgender children. child dev perspect. doi:10.1111/cdep.12268

so yeah about childhood transition being a conspiracy to ‘fix’ gnc gay kids….

transgirlnausicaa:

transmisogynist feminists who withdrew their solidarity from transgender women have essentially made themselves into “useful idiots” for the greater reactionary movement.

when violence against transgender women is reframed as “male violence against other males, and therefore not a feminist issue,” you’re fucking intellectually surrendering. You’re a failure of a critical thinker. You’re refusing to do the necessary work to analyze WHY men are violent towards transgender women, WHAT type of violence they commit, WHERE else these implications might lead! You’re just being lazy.

As a feminist, you’re obligated to account for ALL of the social and material conditions of society in your conceptual understanding of that society. There are no social “externalities” that you get to ignore.

You’re sweeping the epidemic of violence against transgender women and the structural oppression that makes that happen under the rug.

Do you really think that there are common numbers of men who are violently misogynistic against transgender women but perfect angels to cisgender women?

Men express their violent misogyny through the most socially acceptable channels.

That fundamental fact is why gendered violence is WORSE against women of color than on white women, WORSE against mentally ill women than neurotypical women, WORSE against poor women than rich women, WORSE against transgender women than cisgender women.

It’s BECAUSE we’re discriminated against that men seek to express their violence, their sadistic sexual proclivities, their aggression, their vitriol against transgender women. We’re an “acceptable target.”

Men don’t get LESS violent as they enact violence. Their horrible behavior towards transgender women, so long as it is tolerated, so long as it is allowed, so long as we are treated as disposable, is something they condition themselves to perform over and over and each time they are able to gratify themselves through violence, their proclivity towards violence is increased.

This is dangerous for EVERYONE.

You may allow right-wing-backed transgender bathroom bans to go through, but as you allow those right-wing men gaining political power, you will see them shut down abortion clinics and planned parenthood (the latter specifically hurts transgender women because planned parenthood administers HRT in many states).

I have seen transmisogynist feminists say things like “I am glad that this transgender woman will likely commit suicide.” Some of you claim that being transgender is a mental illness, or a paraphilia (regardless of the fact that the most advanced and up-to-date mental health organizations do not describe it that way, including the DSM-V). If your idea of feminism IS cheering on the death of people who are “mentally ill,” you are abandoning your humanity. Your justification for this behavior? “Transgender women are perverts.” Are we? Are gay men not also considered perverts by many? Are drag queens not also considered perverts by many? Are lesbians not also considered perverts by many? What exactly is your ETHICAL critique of transgender behavior? If you do not have one, then you are simply regurgitating right-wing talking points.

You say that transgender women are “violent men.” But we share no solidarity with men. We are attacked by men. Transgender women suffer disproportionately high rates of physical violence, sexual assault, sexual harassment, workplace harassment, academic harassment, compared to cisgender women.

I mean for fucks sake. If you really doubt these discrimination claims that i’m making just read this:

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf

Whatever. I’m done. I have solidarity with women as a class and I am part of that economic, social, political class. If you’re choosing to deny that, then you’re hurting me, you’re hurting the feminist movement, and you’re hurting yourself.

It’s your choice to be receptive to what other people say or to deny it. It’s not hard to deny everything that doesn’t agree with your views. But empathy and critical thinking that requires you to step outside of your own point of view is the only way you can really understand other people.

yeah i’m gonna have to ask discoursers on tumblr to stop saying ‘kweer’ and then pretend like that somehow isn’t a slur, thanks.

thewinddrifter:

thewinddrifter:

thewinddrifter:

also not every asshole making a bad take about butch women is a ‘queer theorist’

like i know none of you will stop because you are desperate to demonise queer folk as destructive, lesbophobic and out of touch, but thanks

Like a friend of mine pointed out that the rhetoric of ‘butch women don’t belong in women’s spaces’ is more of a radfem position than a queer one, but y’all are just gonna ignore contributions by butch women to queer theory aren’t you.

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Lesbian separatists such as Sheila Jeffreys argued that all forms of masculinity, including masculine butch women, were negative and harmful to women. The group of radical lesbians often credited with sparking lesbian feminism, Radicalesbians, called butch culture “male-identified role-playing among lesbians”.

While butch-femme roles had previously been the primary way of identifying lesbians and quantifying lesbian relationships in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s, lesbian feminist ideology had turned these roles into a “perversion of lesbian identity”. Lesbian feminism turned the public face of lesbians into white, middle class women, often excluding and alienating working class lesbians and lesbians of color.

But yeah all those queer theorists amirite?

folly-of-alexandria:

You know, it’s constantly bothersome how the primary source of prejudice in Transmisogyny is the inability of the vast majority of cis people to see trans-women as anything other than purely sexual objects.

For the most trans-women, the mere act of existing in a space is considered as a sexual action by the majority of cis people around them. A trans woman (especially if she’s not-white) doing something as mundane as walking down the street or checking into a hotel room can be detained by police under suspicion of prostitution (having any condoms on her person will even be used as evidence against her). There’s the narrative that trans women shouldn’t be allowed in public restrooms because people think that they would only do so to sexually assault or harass cis women or children.

There’s the idea that the entire purpose behind transitioning was to trick innocent cis people into having sex with someone that’s secretly a man. Mind you, almost no trans woman would do this for the simple fact that it’s a quick way to get murdered; and this narrative is also played up in the defense of cis-people that do murder trans women in the “Trans-Panic” defense which is completely legal in 48/50 states in the US.

Then there are those that attribute value on trans women based on how fuckable they perceive us to be. Some people see trans women as freaky beings that straddle the line of the defined binary in appearance and due to their personal lack of attraction to us see us as not worth treating as human. Or those whom believe that their finding us fuckable is the goal and that simply saying “Hey, I’d totally have sex with you.” is what we want every cis person to say. But these people still operate view us as purely sexual individuals without and other facets of worth to our lives.

And then there are those that see our transitions as a sort of extreme masturbatory fetish. As if the entire goal of it was some sexual self-gratification. That the whole thing was to take our bodies and change and dress them in a way to get ourselves off with an autogynophilic pleasure.

A couple days ago I came across a post that was a screenshot of a post made by a man. The post was a man comparing a picture of a trans woman that fell in to conventional standards of beauty, to a picture of a TERF whom deviated greatly from those same standards. The man then wrote a caption saying “No wonder TERFs hate trans women.” The implication that trans women are fuckable (and therefore good) while TERFs are not (and therefore bad). A separate TERF had then taken this as a whole and left a comment claiming that the man’s comments of finding trans women fuckable (and therefore good), was proof that trans women were accepted by the systems of the patriarchy and therefore not only not oppressed but an example of trans women’s supposed true goal of being thought of as fuckable whether by men, women, or both. Now they’re both completely off-base because again some random dude telling me he’d like to fuck me is no comfort (and actually rather creepy) and it’s no indication of viewing me as a person, and the TERFs wrong because her statement is almost the same as saying a woman who gets catcalled is less oppressed than a woman a man decides isn’t pretty enough to catcall.

The thing that all of those kind of cis people above don’t understand, is that being a trans woman has nothing to do with any of that, at all. All of those assumptions hinge on the exclusion of the concept that trans women have any personal identity outside of our sexuality. The fact of the matter is that our goals as trans women begin and end with 1)Being comfortable in our own skin. 2)Being able to do so while being treated as human. 3)Living a happy, multi-faceted life. The listed cis people don’t comprehend that simple fact, and until society at large does, transmisogyny will continue to widely persist.