terfmeanslesbian:

clitcheese:

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ā€˜accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ā€˜invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

what does any of this have to do with trans politics….why are they ā€œā€ā€œterfsā€ā€œā€

because, incidentally, the book is written by terfs? here’s her other wordpress articles, ā€˜trans women are men, and therefore have the mentality of rapists’ and ā€˜trans men are self-hating women’ lol? i’m calling her a terf because i have basic reading comprehension.Ā 

but i didn’t even talk about trans politics here. i was talking about how fundamentally warped some of your theorists are. here are some quotes, and here’s the whole book online as blog posts. Chapter 3 deals with the spectre of ex-het lesbians, part 2 of chapter 4 deals with how femme lesbians ā€˜recreate patriarchy’ in their gender expression, and honestly do you agree with any of this shit? have other radfems ever mentioned this book is flawed? that it only serves to make a hierarchy of lesbians? i was under the impression this woman is a pretty influential radfem, do you agree with these theories? lmao do you get that even if trans people didn’t exist, your brand of feminism would still be a reductive pile of shit?

take all the Us Versus the Horrible Transsexuals out of your theories and you’re left with just this kind of holier than thou Gold Star bullshit. honestly god help the self esteem of all the lesbians who get sucked into your politics. you’re left with this radical version of biology where men are biologically evil, where a penis has such a powerful aura that it will discount a woman’s ability to be a lesbian for her entire life. isn’t this straight up the kind of phallocentrism your ideology is meant to be against? because this system focuses onĀ ā€˜never-het’ women as the most authentic lesbians, who embody a more ā€˜pure’ version of lesbianhood and womanhood and therefore should earn a privileged space at the centre of lesbian politics, compared to the ā€˜corrupted’ version of feminsm embodied by lesbians who have ever thought they were straight. ā€œĀ Once a female has had the experience of being treated as and feeling like a ā€œreal woman,ā€ she never loses it.ā€Ā It’s also written in the book’s introduction also explicitly states that she considers straight and bisexual women to be interchangeable, equally privileged members of an oppressive class of ā€˜man-lovers’.

You see what this is right? it’s the virgin/slut dichotomy ripped straight from the patriarchy, with no alteration. Touching a dick once in your life apparently lessens the value of your perspective, immediately makes your intentions as a lesbian and even a feminist suspect. it treats patriarchy not as a set of learned ideas and behaviours, but as some kind of permanent, lifelong stain on women’s souls. the author states outright that ā€˜het privilege’ can never be unlearned. you get that this is lesbophobic, right? just basically, you’re erasing the sexuality of lesbians who come out later in life, outright making them into privileged oppressors? the author likens this to a fucking invasion of lesbian spaces:

 ’They [Lesbians who have ever dated men]Ā also bring STDs, danger from past husbands or boyfriends stalking them, and dildos and other sado-masochistic sexual practices’,

which are, after all, based on the inequalities and pain in heterosexual/male sex.

this comes from a long passage about how ā€˜ex-hets’ tend to be more abusive and even less loving than Real Lesbians, caused entirely by past association with men. caused by past what kind of broken ethics system do you need to look through to think this is worth publishing? and, holy shit, i didn’t even start on ā€˜the patriarchal and oppressive nature of femme lesbians’ because i’ve got no idea where to start there

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ā€˜accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ā€˜invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

lmao you can’t be a biphobe and call yourself anti-terf. you can’t pick out which parts of terf ideology you like and which parts you don’t. if u are anti-terf u need to know the LGBTI community inherited biphobia directly from second-wave feminism, and u have to be able to pick out their ideology when it appears in more subtle ways than just their outright hate for trans women

terfsareunlovable:

mlmwitchthings:

gendertrenders:

mlmwitchthings:

Keep police and corporations out of pride 2kforever

I’d rather have cops surround me, than some males who think they’re lesbians and straight girls who read too much yaoi and now consider themselves to be gay men.

Did I mention that all terfs should be excluded from pride too lol

ā€œi’d rather have cops who slaughter/abuse black and brown people at pride than trans women simply trying to live their livesā€ lmao terfs are wild

TERF: we are here to abolish the genders

Feminist: oh, so we won’t use gendered pronouns anymore?

TERF: no keep those

Feminist: gendered clothing?

TERF: no thats ok

Feminist: segregated bathrooms?

TERF: no those are important

Feminist: so we’re going to do something about the gender binary, yeah? We’re going to attack the idea that gender is intrinsically linked to one’s anatomy, and we’re going to boost the visibility of trans and intersex people, who face the most violent consequences of the sex and gender binaries – yes?

TERF: no

Feminist: then what are you going to do, exactly? What is your plan? How are you going to accomplish this?

TERF: abolish gender

Feminist: How?

TERF: abolish it

katsgf:

something that incredibly depresses me about how far both radfem and libfem separatists have sunk their claws into lesbian and bi circles respectively is that they’ve forced this notion that lesbians and bi women are these two separate entities with divergent histories with no common points whatsoever. in reality, our histories and our lives have always been intertwined. it was separatism that began the schism between us, but the notion that we’re two groups of people who began separately and now have to work to come back together is, i think, the root of a lot of the problems between us. and it makes me so genuinely upset.Ā 

I don’t think you understand what ā€˜attraction’ means

tobitastic:

If you were really not attracted to trans women, why don’t you leave us alone?

You complain that trans women wouldĀ ā€˜trick’ you into having sex with them, so clearly worried that some girl you’re hot for might turn out to be trans. You run through a dozen hypothetical scenarios, dealing out judgment and explaining exactly when and how trans women should disclose. You talk through which sex acts you would be most repulsed by and how important it is to you that everyone protect you from falling into that scenario.Ā Seriously, I don’t know about everyone else, but I don’t spend this much time talking about and thinking about having sex with people I’m not attracted to.

When confronted about your transphobia your standard response isĀ ā€œI’m just not attracted to trans women, there’s nothing wrong with that,ā€ but the whole scenario you’re focusing on is the possibility that someone you are attracted to turns out to be trans and you’d go into a rage. If you were really not attracted to trans women, wouldn’t you just have never gone on the date to begin with because you weren’t attracted to her?

How is it that you ended up arguing with a dozen trans women through social media? Somehow you manage to keep up with each of them and know them by name, all so that you can better harass them, leaving little remarks on their pages about how they trick people into weird deviant sex. The opposite of attraction isn’t repulsion, but indifference. You’re not acting like someone who is indifferent about trans women. Did you really just say that you’re not attracted to trans women for the fourth time in this conversation? I’m beginning to wonder if it’s not me you’re trying to convince, but yourself.

I’m willing to bet that if we could thoroughly explore your computer and your internet history, we’d find some trans porn on there. What is thatĀ ā€œresearchā€? Oh, I forgot, it’sĀ ā€œevidence.ā€ You’ve got screen caps of at least 50 trans women’s OK cupid pages, downloaded copies of their fetlife photos, all documented with name, age, and location so that you can post them to your own website andĀ ā€œwarnā€ other people so no one isĀ ā€œtrickedā€ into having sex with them. Scouring the internet you relish every nude pic you can find. Each posted to the front page of your site with a triumphantĀ ā€œLook! It’s a penis! And she calls herself a woman – ha!ā€

Usually when someone is not attracted to me, they don’t give me a second thought and move on with their life and allow me to move on with mine. But you – You track down my personal internet accounts so you can continue the argument we go into after I left it. You go through things I posted on tumblr 3 years ago. You look through my online dating profiles from 2010 and try and run google image searches to see where else my risque photos may have been. You check legal name change records in my county to try and find myĀ ā€œrealā€ name. You look up where I work so you can call my boss and tell them they hired a pervert. You write fan fiction about about how many cocks I suck and send it to the city council and school board until their lawyers send you a cease and desist letter (seriously, that really happened to me).

There’s nothing wrong with incidentally not being attracted to me. But that’s not what’s going on here. I’m not saying you’re attracted to me, but in your repulsion you’ve become obsessed with me and others like me. That obsession is what’s dangerous and it’s fueled by some deep seated fascination that has a lot more to do with your feelings than it has to do with anything I’ve done.Ā 

So I’m rejecting you right here and now. I will never have sex with you. If you’re really not attracted to me, then you won’t care. If you feel relief, if you feel anxiety, if you feel insulted, then there’s something else going on. And you need to go take care of it by yourself. Don’t involve me.