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The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

Uh, that’s how transwomen represent themselves, fam. Real life mimics fiction just as fiction mimics real life. 🙂

consume a lot of trans media then do u

Nah, just seen how transwomen represent themselves and seen how people try to blame “expectations of the media”. It’s kinda funny because the trans representation I’ve seen in media have been hyperfeminized versions of the same standards actual women follow. Take Lavern Cox, for example. She looks the same in OITNB as she does out of OITNB – hyperfeminized and how men think women should look. Imagine if gender roles didn’t exist and everyone was just allowed to dress and be as they were without lables. We can tell what sex people are 99% of the time by looking at them. It seems you are upset about the gender roles women have been facing for centuries – and more female sex workers are killed daily than trans sex workers are yearly. Transgenderism is a new concept, been around for less than 10 years now. Transwomen took what they “think” women should be from stereotypes without asking women what being a woman is actually like lmao. Drag Queens at least know it’s a costume and don’t pretend that they are actually women.

1) literally what is hyperfeminised about laverne cox. like, what. like, outfits she wears or. what. that she has long hair maybe? literally what about her presentation gives u that idea. or can u not name a second trans woman?

2) i can’t think of anything more demeaning than playing the Who’s Murdered Most game with you, except i guess, debating the numbers of dead sex workers with a SWERF. like, honey, my comment was on representation. it’s a concept that means, a portrayal, a fictional idea or narrative of what trans women are, usually with an underlying agenda. a narrative which you’re apparently completely immune to, oh Objective one

3) “transgenderism” was a part of many ancient religions, usually closely associated with fertility and mother goddesses. 10 years old. did you honestly think Julia Serano invented being trans in 2007. Even using an entirely transmedicalist definition, hormone therapy was pioneered in the ‘20s before nazis tried to stamp it out. so like, i can’t even imagine where u got that idea. are u a terf who seriously doesn’t know as much about trans people as the first paragraph of the wikipedia page for Transgender. are u seriously in that much of an echo chamber. were you trying to say something so amazingly incorrect to like, upset me? rile me up ? or is this some weird sort of anxiety like, you just found out terf ideology only came to being in the 1970s and decided you must have come first. not like it’s a reactionary movement that sprang to being out of a hatred for trans people, GNC people and queers, or anything like that.

or like, is this the same thing as you not understanding the concept of representation; did you think trans people only started to exist the day you first saw a mention of us. is this an issue with your object permanence? that how you see trans people must be exactly all there is to us, and that everything you know about trans people must be all there is anyone could possibly know about us.