Tag: transmisogyny

artemiswasamerf:

clitcheese:

terflies:

no-discourse-onlywrites:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

Uh, that’s how transwomen represent themselves, fam. Real life mimics fiction just as fiction mimics real life. 🙂

consume a lot of trans media then do u

terflies:

no-discourse-onlywrites:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

terflies:

artemiswasamerf:

The common representation of transwomen being this hyper feminine, painted, shaved, tiny waist, big breasted, tight clothes, long haired image really should say a lot about two things.

1) What men think women should look like

2) What men think being a woman is

Yes, because trans women suffer from misogyny and misogynistic expectations, too—when not represented as masculine, with stubble, fat, with tight clothes revealing “male” features. Which also says a lot.

Men cannot suffer from misogyny. Presenting themselves as hyped up versions of what they think women are is misogyny towards actual women.

If men cannot suffer from misogyny, then—as trans women do suffer from misogyny—we must conclude that they are women.

Besides which, the problem you are describing—that the popular representation of trans women is rooted in misogyny—is genuine, but your conclusion—that trans women are responsible (and thus misogynistic—is a non-sequitur. The problem is with their representation: what society believes they are and expects them to be; not trans women themselves. This is a problem that negatively affects trans women.

Plus like these people love catching trans people in Catch-22’s like this

Look like your identified gender? Relying on sexist stereotypes.

Look like you always did, with some modifications? You’re not “really” trans and just trying to get attention.

Like, can you just admit you don’t want trans people to exist and go already?

As an anecdote, an example that’s stuck in my memory for years was a TERF complaining about trans women turning up to women’s spaces with unshaven legs, citing this as “proof” that they were “actually men”.

I didn’t realise op was a terf immediately because like, they straight up say “the common representation of transwomen” and that’s exactly what cis men think of us, and how they attempt to simultanesously demonise us in the media while sexualising us — see how many trans women on TV in my life are murdered sex workers on crime shows.

like you’re so close. you’re so damn close. you know how bad mainstream representation is for trans women, but then you decide it’s actually objectively correct, that it must a perfect representation of us, made by us.

Some women athletes must now medically lower their testosterone levels to compete

aceandart:

yolowoho:

yolowoho:

Rules will force some women to undergo hormone therapy that could adversely affect their health; will disproportionately affect women from developing nations who do not conform to Western standards of femininity; and will ultimately lead to some elite women quitting the sport.

So here’s newest in transphobia, misogynoir, & just overall awfulness in sports.

This is directed at Caster Semenya. She is a cis black woman, (who has naturally highish levels of testosterone) and she is an incredible athlete. This is misogynoir and transphobia all wrapped up in one shitty package backed up by shitty science and nowhere near enough data. It is a moral and ethical failure by the IOC, and it cannot go uncontested.

Further reading: 

From the first linked article (which, go read the whole thing):

Since the impact of testosterone is understood by most sports fans in
the context of PED controversies, is it any wonder that trans athletes,
especially trans women athletes, are unfairly targeted and discriminated
against? Using performance-enhancing drugs in sports is about
deception, and the cis world still views gender-diverse folks through
that same lens.

[…] Trans women should be able to compete in women’s sports because they are
women. Trans women should be able to make transition-related decisions
about their physical appearance, health, and well-being on the basis of
their desires and needs, not to achieve compliance with arbitrary cis
regulations. Much of the opposition to amab folks participating in
women’s sports is driven by the erroneous and bigoted view that amab
gender-diverse folks, especially trans women, are men wishing to
participate in women’s sports as a method of cheating. However,
regulations about hormone levels stem from the same faulty premise as
those views: that through hormone testing, an essential womanhood can be
defined, and acceptable (lesser) women’s bodies can be achieved that
are distinct from those of cis men.

[…] The biological supremacy argument, which places such value on the
importance of testosterone in athletic performance, actively harms afab
gender diverse athletes as well. Those who argue for the inclusion of
amab gender diverse people in women’s sports if they undergo hormone
therapy use the limiting and binary understanding of the differences
between men’s and women’s bodies that serve to cement cis men’s
undeserved sporting primacy. What follows from this argument is a
paradoxical understanding of afab gender diverse athletes.Consequently, sporting bodies do not develop specific policies
regulating the hormone levels of afab athletes participating in men’s
sports, because of two key assumptions. First, they assume that afab
bodies are inherently lesser than those of cis men, and are therefore
irrelevant in terms of issues of fairness or performance at the highest
levels. This argument relies on the sexism inherent in the binary
division of sport, the purpose of which is to privilege cis men. Second,
“inclusive” sporting bodies don’t regulate the hormone levels of afab
athletes participating in men’s sports because testosterone levels are
only considered to be an advantage when competing against women; the
wide variation in testosterone levels among cis men is irrelevant
because it is deemed to be “natural.”

[…] Those who mistakenly believe in the supremacy of men’s sports usually
rely on the subjective argument that men athletes are simply “better”.
However, to make such an argument, supporters have to deliberately
ignore a lengthy
history of discrimination on the part of cis men to limit and curtail
the access to sport that people of other genders have had. There are
numerous examples of women being barred from participating in sport, or
even simply banned from attending sporting events. Decades after
programs designed to foster equality in sport, there can still be considerable
discrepancies in terms of resources between boys and girls sports
development in many sports like soccer, baseball, and hockey.

Some women athletes must now medically lower their testosterone levels to compete

war-lesbian:

*non trans woman voice* hi i read your post about transmisogyny but i dont really get it? not trying to argue i just read the bit where you described why something was transmisogynist and i didnt understand? like you described the thing and that made sense but then you said it was transmisogynist and now im stupid? my brain doesnt work? im not disagreeing i just need you to explain it to me? pay attention to me so i know you’re worth listening to? prove you’re one of the good ones by saying what you already said as many times as i ask you to? dance for me? dance for me bitch?

wodneswynn:

The problem with TERF rhetoric is that it inverts the whole shit about misogynistic and queerphobic violence and oppression. While misogynistic violence and oppression is its own thing due to its roots in women being seen archaically as a chattel class and later a particular underclass in so many societies, misogynistic and queerphobic violence and oppression are fundamentally linked in how their relationship to patriarchy plays out: Men committing these acts of violence is so pervasive because patriarchal society deputizes men to punish people who perform some real or perceived transgression against sexist and heteronormative social conventions.

So, you’re over here talking about how I can never be a woman because I was “socialised male” when, between the two of us, you’re the one filling the man’s role.

s-notgirl:

And hey I personally fucking hate how terfs have tried to mutate lesbian culture on this site. The other day I saw someone talking about how whenever they see a blog with the lesbian pride flag in the icon, they’re uneasy or hesitant to interact/follow because of this awful trend of trans exclusionary radfems pushing wlw pride as a front for hatred, a way to boast they’re a “real lesbian, unlike all those nasty str8 women who date trans women”. It’s such an awful tactic because whenever they repost something sapphic, something about loving women, something that should be so good and wholesome and proud, that you should never have to question whether the intentions of it are cruel, they’re doing it spitefully, they’re not saying “i love loving women” they’re saying “i only respect those who I deem to be REAL women” and they’re turning pride into a discreet statement of hate. Lesbian culture and spaces are for all lesbians, and the fact that someone showing “too much pride” is now cause for suspicion is disgusting! But make no mistake, this isn’t the fault of anyone but terfs. This isn’t lesbians and trans women being lesbophobic, I agree that it’s absolutely terrible for lesbians to see wlw pride and immediately feel suspicious, but it’s not their fault, it is the fault of the people who are trying to slip into these communities and spread their poison by putting up a front of love and pride.

Stop taking a community based on love and pride and affection and trying to turn it into your platform for hate. These wlw communities are not for you. You cannot say you love women and then turn around and dedicate your entire online presence to hating women.

transgirlnausicaa:

transmisogynist feminists who withdrew their solidarity from transgender women have essentially made themselves into “useful idiots” for the greater reactionary movement.

when violence against transgender women is reframed as “male violence against other males, and therefore not a feminist issue,” you’re fucking intellectually surrendering. You’re a failure of a critical thinker. You’re refusing to do the necessary work to analyze WHY men are violent towards transgender women, WHAT type of violence they commit, WHERE else these implications might lead! You’re just being lazy.

As a feminist, you’re obligated to account for ALL of the social and material conditions of society in your conceptual understanding of that society. There are no social “externalities” that you get to ignore.

You’re sweeping the epidemic of violence against transgender women and the structural oppression that makes that happen under the rug.

Do you really think that there are common numbers of men who are violently misogynistic against transgender women but perfect angels to cisgender women?

Men express their violent misogyny through the most socially acceptable channels.

That fundamental fact is why gendered violence is WORSE against women of color than on white women, WORSE against mentally ill women than neurotypical women, WORSE against poor women than rich women, WORSE against transgender women than cisgender women.

It’s BECAUSE we’re discriminated against that men seek to express their violence, their sadistic sexual proclivities, their aggression, their vitriol against transgender women. We’re an “acceptable target.”

Men don’t get LESS violent as they enact violence. Their horrible behavior towards transgender women, so long as it is tolerated, so long as it is allowed, so long as we are treated as disposable, is something they condition themselves to perform over and over and each time they are able to gratify themselves through violence, their proclivity towards violence is increased.

This is dangerous for EVERYONE.

You may allow right-wing-backed transgender bathroom bans to go through, but as you allow those right-wing men gaining political power, you will see them shut down abortion clinics and planned parenthood (the latter specifically hurts transgender women because planned parenthood administers HRT in many states).

I have seen transmisogynist feminists say things like “I am glad that this transgender woman will likely commit suicide.” Some of you claim that being transgender is a mental illness, or a paraphilia (regardless of the fact that the most advanced and up-to-date mental health organizations do not describe it that way, including the DSM-V). If your idea of feminism IS cheering on the death of people who are “mentally ill,” you are abandoning your humanity. Your justification for this behavior? “Transgender women are perverts.” Are we? Are gay men not also considered perverts by many? Are drag queens not also considered perverts by many? Are lesbians not also considered perverts by many? What exactly is your ETHICAL critique of transgender behavior? If you do not have one, then you are simply regurgitating right-wing talking points.

You say that transgender women are “violent men.” But we share no solidarity with men. We are attacked by men. Transgender women suffer disproportionately high rates of physical violence, sexual assault, sexual harassment, workplace harassment, academic harassment, compared to cisgender women.

I mean for fucks sake. If you really doubt these discrimination claims that i’m making just read this:

http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_html/downloads/reports/reports/ntds_full.pdf

Whatever. I’m done. I have solidarity with women as a class and I am part of that economic, social, political class. If you’re choosing to deny that, then you’re hurting me, you’re hurting the feminist movement, and you’re hurting yourself.

It’s your choice to be receptive to what other people say or to deny it. It’s not hard to deny everything that doesn’t agree with your views. But empathy and critical thinking that requires you to step outside of your own point of view is the only way you can really understand other people.

strongorcbutch:

neckspike:

carpetmunchies:

really dislike that such a big part of (cis) lesbian comradery and casual conversation (unless I’m around other cis lesbians who are very critical of it, which there are) is joking, sometimes really maliciously, about how nasty “dick” is and how slutty people (women really) who “take dick” are. Like not only does it isolate transgender women and breed a culture of transmisogyny that is … really unnecessary (you don’t have to tell nasty jokes like that to talk about your lesbianism) but it leads to separation and strife between bi women and lesbians bc even though many cis lesbians think it’s ~just joaks~ there is a value system among lesbians (and bi women) based on whether one has slept with a man or not or how many men she has been with and, like, I don’t know how that is at all a good or healthy way to measure a woman’s love for other women. patriarchy literally already has a value system built around how some kind of “phallic” contact taints a woman. men are even uncomfortable with women’s clits bc they can be seen as phallic. like, lesbians don’t need this and there’s actually nothing ~radical~ about including it in our culture.

it’s just het purity culture repackaged to divide us, it’s shit garbage

Is really, totally is. Like I grew up in an evangelical christian household, and went to those kind of churches up until my late teenage years. Purity culture was a HUGE thing in those churches at the time, with youth pastors constantly driving the idea that having sex “tainted” you in some way that made you unfit/undesirable for any future partner. Legit watching youth pastors go “what if someone licked this water bottle, would you want to drink from it then?” Still makes me sick to think how many kids they made feel like shit with that nonsense. And the first time I encountered gold star bullshit in the lesbian community, the first thing I thought was “wow…this looks really familiar”. It’s the same values translated over and it’s really fucking gross.Â