trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
straight trans people can call themselves gay
trans men can call themselves lesbians
cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus
trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
straight trans people can call themselves gay, or how they can’t be straight
trans men can call themselves lesbians
us cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, implicitly kicking out trans/nb people, and also ignoring that straight trans people don’t oppress us cis lgbp
aces have a greater right to lgbt spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus
(context for above screenshot, so you can see for yourself that slimecourse was telling off a TERF)
exclusionists pointing out how SAM can be used in transphobic way (but if someone can actually find someone using the SAM in a transphobic way, go ahead and add on)
pitting lg vs. bt, erasing trans/nb gay and lesbian people
uninucleus callout (who I’ve heard still kept kept their popularity after it came to light they were a TERF)
Also, thank you to @fuckradfems for double-checking these screenshots, @discoursepsychic for suggesting a screenshot
hey um, when I said a call-out post? i meant a call-out post and not this useless sack of crap i have to sift through. are you trying to be unhelpful?
as i have already plainly explained, we actually did have to fight for trans and bi recognition. this is basic, basic history, and not ‘erasing trans people from the movement’, it’s literally basically recognising that we have been already erased from the movement by cis people. for the love of fuck i can’t actually simplify this anymore. Trans people start movement. Gay movement decides it wants nothing to do with trans people. trans people fight this. the letter T is added so that doesn’t happen again. are we clear on this
the second screenshot actually goes into this in more detail than i can? there’s literally nothing incorrect here? what are you even calling out here? that we’re acknowledging trans erasure? do you want to call out someone for a goddamn history lesson? you get that what you’re doing here as a cis person is deliberately misleading right? there are young people who still remember the acronym before it included the T, considering this was a debate topic in the 90s and well into the 00s.
anonymous posts
@hookandcook says straight trans people can call themselves gay. i should point out hookandcook is, a gay trans person, but what the hell. hey dude, while straight trans people are queer for being trans, you can’t use gay and queer interchangeably like that. it’s pretty straightforward that it’s disrespectful to gay people for any straight people to call themselves gay.
alright! someone with an actual URL saying fucked up shit! this wasn’t so difficult was it? @rainbowgoddamnunicorn, who i can’t tag, great, but yeah what the fuck
the next anon is rubbish but they’re touching on something i’ve talked about, that trans people rarely have straight privilege even if they’re completely hetero because of the obscene kinds of hoops one has to jump through to be considered ‘straight’, so like, they’re being reductive but calling this anon transphobic… is a reach
all the callouts for saying trans men can be lesbians belong to @yall-aphobes-need-to-stop finally, it’s also literally up there on their blog admitting that they said it too. there’s also a bunch of callouts already in their url tag, so i suggest blocking them!
each and every single call out for policing cis people’s use of ‘cishet’ goes to trans people! aphobic-hau and babblingqueerace and transkrem! they’re all fucking trans! you’re calling out trans people for literally fucking calling out cis people… in a way you don’t like! you can call me out for this too, i stand by this. cis people need to… actually fucking listen to trans people on this. honestly. cis people labelling their oppressors as ‘cishets’ instead of as fucking straights only serves to distance themselves from their own cis privilege. and like, in the post i already linked to, sometimes trans people can actually have straight privilege? adding ‘cis’ doesn’t actually let us have a nuanced discussion about the dynamics trans people have towards straightness. and if this really erases trans people, you really have to explain to me how? i’m fucking trans and i can’t actually make sense of your complaint here.
hey quick aside if you crop out the URL on a post? it’s fucking useless thanks
more for yall-aphobes-need-to-stop, as well as @shybiviolet, hello you should let people be mad a terfs, because terfs are fucking trash, okay, cool
under ‘pitting lg vs bt’ you’ve put in that basic history lesson from before in again, i think you should read it actually? like what do you not like about it, the insinuation that bi people have faced biphobia? that cis people have been transphobic? nothing here actually demonises anyone, it’s just talking about the community’s history with respectability politics.
hey callout post for all these anons for being homophobic! you know these are completely fucking useless right. because they’re anonymous. like Barack Obama could have sent them for all the fuck i know. you know you can send these to yourself, that’s why they’re completely useless as evidence for anything.
and @next-venoms who i think you’ll find is a fucking guro blog? and they could have worded it in a less divisive way but, i think i really agree with the sentiment? is this really the hill you want to die on. i can’t speak for biphobia, but you know cis people abuse trans people in LGBTI/queer spaces all the time right? the LGBTI community was built on trans women’s backs.. the only thing problematic here is that it erases that bi people have as much cis privilege as gays and lesbians. but sure, let’s all call out this problematic goreporn blog
so. let’s tally up everyone who actually parroted anything even remotely simialar to what terfs have ever said;
you could have just given me the reciepts for those two. this was the most amazingly frustrating thing you could have done here. you could have at least figured out for yourself that transkrem, who has trans in their goddamn username, actually has a much more valid opinion on the word cishets than you do.. if you want me to call out anything ever again, you can at least make it readable. and not call out trans people for talking about trans issues and calling it TERF rhetoric. that’s literally a polite, basic minimum for these kinds of posts right.
oh and also can you do me a favour? it’s to never speak about transphobia ever again. you have no idea how to use that word and it’s not your fucking discourse card. literally fucking consult me or another trans person first before you make another post this useless and misleading again.
Not all of those screenshots are mine, and some other person cropped out the op of those posts. I literally consulted a trans person when compiling those posts. I also interpreted stuff like the T was added later as in trans people weren’t always there and were added later to the community, and promoting the LG vs BT split, which ignores trans gay people and that cis bi people can still be transphobic. Like, do inclusionists think all LG people are cis? There are also trans people saying that it’s 100% okay for us to use cishet, so your point? Those anons are obviously inclusionists and shows that transphobic sentiment is there. I’m not sure what else I could do there? Does anyone else care to join in?
yeah no matter how many times you, a cis person, willfully misinterpret what trans people have been saying to you, it doesn’t somehow make it TERF rhetoric. don’t repeat this to me again. i’m a trans lesbian so of course i’m not standing by this bullshit where you think i’m saying ‘all LG people are cis’, and neither did the screenshots you gave me that were clealy from other trans people.
callout post for @yall-aphobes-need-to-stop, asserting that trans men should be allowed to ID as lesbians. this is transphobic, as it’s basing who can or can’t be a lesbian on birth assignment instead of identity as a woman. this attitude is especially harmful against trans women, who are frequently told we can not ID as lesbians because of birth assignment. for context, YANTS is not a lesbian, they are nonbinary and questioning if they’re a trans man as of the time of writing.
[caption: two images from yall-aphobes-need-to-stop’s blog. First image reads: “anonymous asked: men cant be lesbians. yall-aphobes-need-to-stop answered: There are a lot of men who, before they came out as trans men, identified as female and as lesbians. Then, as their identity changed and they realized they were trans men, they held on to the lesbian label.I personally don’t think those people are invalid. Why do you, anon?”
the second image contains the same post as the first, as well as another. Anonymous asked: If you say trans men can be lesbians, that means cis men can too. YANTS answered: That’s not how it works, brah]
callout post for rainbowgoddamnunicorn for misleadingly using gay as as an umbrella term where it doesn’t apply.
[text reads: Oh my fucking god. Literally by the fact that you’re aro/ace you are gay. Gay is literally the most general umbrella term for ANYONE who is is any way not 100%cishet. They’re literally truscum but with “gay” instead of trans. You don’t get to tell anyone else they aren’t gay you fucking moron, it’s not your choice!!]
although i have blocked people for that awful star trek theory that goes like, ‘the federation’s prime directive/non interference policy actually destroys cultures’ as if like, letting a culture fuck themselves up and fucking colonising them are equally bad
how do you take the middle path in an argument about colonialism. ‘sure invading a culture is bad, but imagine the awful things that could happen if we leave this native culture to its own devices?’ like how about we as white people avoid the fuck out of that narrative please and thank you
Yknow one of the worst possible things people say is “if they ID as queer than they fit under some other LGBT category so they shouldnt use queer they should use that other thing instead” like it just shows a extreme lack of understanding why people ID as queer and it makes me wanna go back to IDing as only queer just to spite people who say stuff like that
every day i wake up i flip a coin to decide wether this is an angry trans discourse or a doctor who &star trek fandom blog
if anyone wants to argue about that last post and thinks all these radfem oppression dynamics are actually reasonable, and not completely detached from reality, be warned i didn’t mention Motherhood privilege yet, this is not a fight you can win
Reminder that people in this mess have over and over attempted to erase ace and aro PoC from our communities, declaring all or almost all aces/aros white and privileged in every way, because that would be more convenient for their ‘arguments’ about how we’re all horrible and have oppression fantasies born from a lack of Real Problems in our lives.
Reminder that ppl have loved telling aces/aros of color upset about this and other racist shit to be quiet, and called us ‘tokens’ and generally been nasty to us to shut us up, or just randomly assumed we’re white even when it was perfectly clear and easy to find we’re not. Bc we’re ace/aro and won’t let them shit on us
Reminder that white ppl who loathe aces and aros will frequently try to exploit the pain of PoC by acting as though racism is an ace/aro thing, and as though white aces/aros (or even ace+aro PoC) are more racist and have more white privilege than them and ppl they like.
Reminder ppl in this mess who hate aces and aros continue to give zero shits about how sexualizing aces/aros hurts ace and aro PoC and adds to racism we experience
i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like
ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up
tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you
the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.
it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently
this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently
i need to lie down for like a week wtf
what does any of this have to do with trans politics….why are they “”“terfs”“”
but i didn’t even talk about trans politics here. i was talking about how fundamentally warped some of your theorists are. here are somequotes, and here’s the whole book online as blog posts. Chapter 3 deals with the spectre of ex-het lesbians, part 2 of chapter 4 deals with how femme lesbians ‘recreate patriarchy’ in their gender expression, and honestly do you agree with any of this shit? have other radfems ever mentioned this book is flawed? that it only serves to make a hierarchy of lesbians? i was under the impression this woman is a pretty influential radfem, do you agree with these theories? lmao do you get that even if trans people didn’t exist, your brand of feminism would still be a reductive pile of shit?
take all the Us Versus the Horrible Transsexuals out of your theories and you’re left with just this kind of holier than thou Gold Star bullshit. honestly god help the self esteem of all the lesbians who get sucked into your politics. you’re left with this radical version of biology where men are biologically evil, where a penis has such a powerful aura that it will discount a woman’s ability to be a lesbian for her entire life. isn’t this straight up the kind of phallocentrism your ideology is meant to be against? because this system focuses on ‘never-het’ women as the most authentic lesbians, who embody a more ‘pure’ version of lesbianhood and womanhood and therefore should earn a privileged space at the centre of lesbian politics, compared to the ‘corrupted’ version of feminsm embodied by lesbians who have ever thought they were straight. “ Once a female has had the experience of being treated as and feeling like a “real woman,” she never loses it.” It’s also written in the book’s introduction also explicitly states that she considers straight and bisexual women to be interchangeable, equally privileged members of an oppressive class of ‘man-lovers’.
You see what this is right? it’s the virgin/slut dichotomy ripped straight from the patriarchy, with no alteration. Touching a dick once in your life apparently lessens the value of your perspective, immediately makes your intentions as a lesbian and even a feminist suspect. it treats patriarchy not as a set of learned ideas and behaviours, but as some kind of permanent, lifelong stain on women’s souls. the author states outright that ‘het privilege’ can never be unlearned. you get that this is lesbophobic, right? just basically, you’re erasing the sexuality of lesbians who come out later in life, outright making them into privileged oppressors? the author likens this to a fucking invasion of lesbian spaces:
’They [Lesbians who have ever dated men] also bring STDs, danger from past husbands or boyfriends stalking them, and dildos and other sado-masochistic sexual practices’,
which are, after all, based on the inequalities and pain in heterosexual/male sex.
this comes from a long passage about how ‘ex-hets’ tend to be more abusive and even less loving than Real Lesbians, caused entirely by past association with men. caused by past what kind of broken ethics system do you need to look through to think this is worth publishing? and, holy shit, i didn’t even start on ‘the patriarchal and oppressive nature of femme lesbians’ because i’ve got no idea where to start there
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