Author: peasantchick

Statements that are literally TERF rhetoric that I’ve seen inclusionists say

lilycourse:

clitcheese:

lilycourse:

  • trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
  • straight trans people can call themselves gay
  • trans men can call themselves lesbians
  • cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
  • aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
  • defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus

hey could you provide urls and screenshots so i know who to block? and so i can spread it around so other trans inclusionists know who to block. otherwise this post is completely useless at stopping this behaviour

except for the 1st and 4th points, which i think are misunderstandings. of basic stuff like trans people saying that we had to fight for a letter in the acronym, which is really gross to say that our recent history is terf rhetoric. point 4, trans people are frustrated that some cis people are misusing the word cishet to imply that they don’t also benefit from cis privilege. which is again, really dishonest to say that trans people are using terf rhetoric if you’re cis

Right, I plan on getting around to making screenshots sometime, but it’ll take a while, because this was just an informal list of bad behavior I’ve seen from inclusionists, and it should hopefully stop some of the transphobia going around.

I always interpreted the first point as trans people didn’t always participate in the community and became participants in the community later on, not this letter-adding stuff, and that is wrong, because bi trans women of color helped start the community.

The fourth point, the cis in both cishet and cis aroace is so that we can acknowledge straight trans people don’t oppress us, and we can acknowledge we oppress trans people on that axis. We’re probably going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

oh yeah this is sleepdontvisit’s version of history. trans women of colour started the movement, and then nothing political happened afterwards, of course. nothing like TERFs, or respectability politics spending a few decades distancing the gay community from trans people. we’re not saying trans people weren’t always there, but we’re acknowledging that some parts of the community actively fought against trans people being there. denying that the T is a relatively recent addition to the acronym only erases the work we had to do against respectability politics.

also, Stonewall happened long before the term bisexual caught on. bisexuals were always there as lesbian and gay, because they only referred to kinds of relationships before they meant political identities. they had to persuade people to include the B, to signify that they still belonged when terminology shifted.

Statements that are literally TERF rhetoric that I’ve seen inclusionists say

lilycourse:

  • trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
  • straight trans people can call themselves gay
  • trans men can call themselves lesbians
  • cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
  • aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
  • defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus

hey could you provide urls and screenshots so i know who to block? and so i can spread it around so other trans inclusionists know who to block. otherwise this post is completely useless at stopping this behaviour

except for the 1st and 4th points, which i think are misunderstandings. of basic stuff like trans people saying that we had to fight for a letter in the acronym, which is really gross to say that our recent history is terf rhetoric. point 4, trans people are frustrated that some cis people are misusing the word cishet to imply that they don’t also benefit from cis privilege. which is again, really dishonest to say that trans people are using terf rhetoric if you’re cis

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

‘it’s dishonest to compare ace exclusionism to TERFs’ yeah that’s nice but consider: blocking every terf on sight before they can spread your ace exclusion posts. if you’re letting terfs bring in notes on your exclusionist posts, you’re complicit. if u don’t mind that they’re you’re biggest fans, you’re complicit

dominawritesthings:

People who perform manual labor should be not only given high and liveable wages, but unlimited access to healthcare and physical therapy to help manage the myriad conditions that come from doing back-breaking work.

Like this is not an absurd concept. It bothers me that people think that it is.

lmao you can’t be a biphobe and call yourself anti-terf. you can’t pick out which parts of terf ideology you like and which parts you don’t. if u are anti-terf u need to know the LGBTI community inherited biphobia directly from second-wave feminism, and u have to be able to pick out their ideology when it appears in more subtle ways than just their outright hate for trans women

i can’t believe people are honestly confused about what Straight privilege is and how it’s different from being just heterosexual/hetromantic

example. on one hand, we have het trans women. these are trans women that are attracted only to men. but the Straight trans woman is about 1000 times more rare. there’s an obscene set of standards that are required for a trans woman to get even a fraction of straight privilege to work:

  • cis passing
  • completely 100% gender conforming, but careful not to approach hyperfemininity or anything that would call extra scrutiny to her presentation
  • almost certainly truscum. will have ‘only two genders’ memes up on her facebook
  • has had bottom surgery, will look down on trans people who don’t want or can’t afford bottom surgery as fucking Deviants
  • yes that’s right it’s quite likely that it’s completely impossible for a pre-op/non-op trans woman to have straight privilege because that shit evaporates the second anyone can connect you to even a hypothetical penis
  • not a condition, but the mythical Straight trans woman will generally always hold the one massively outdated and misleading theory about transness being “an intersex condition of the brain”, that an accident of birth Literally put a female brain in the wrong body.
  • we’re talking ‘50s sexism where Lady Brains are hardwired for nurturing, communicating and shopping. Any modern ideas on gender equality immediately disqualifies you from being the Acceptable trans woman
  • we’re talking, the girl asking the guy out first being an unmentionable sin. the acceptably straight trans woman has to be completely fucking passive in anything involving sex and relationships
  • disavowing anything related to being LGBTI or Queer, absolutely no pride in being trans
  • the other trans women come under the T, but not the Straight trans woman. the T is for trans people who don’t want to be completely normal
  • trans pride is for people who are being trans wrong. Trans is Suffering
  • we’re talking about people so terrifyingly determined to be Straight and Completely fucking Normal that they’ve spent their life purging anything not completely gender-conformative about their presentation, and distancing themselves from actually being associated with trans people (this isn’t meant to be a judgement statement bc this is really all for personal safety)
  • notice how i haven’t even mentioned sexuality yet
  • but yes, the straight trans woman is completely straight
  • Totally Vanilla straight. polyam is forbidden. even kink is suspect, because it could mark you as a deviant. the only acceptable kink is like, 50 Shades of Grey style shit where the Dude always Doms and even a blindfold is risqué
  • I’m out of points but feel free to reblog this and add more Straightness conditions for trans women because all the terms and conditions are frankly astounding if we could count them all up

so. while the het-attracted trans women are capable of homophobia, it’s only the Straight trans women who are capable of benefiting from homophobia by virtue of being accepted into the class of Straights. these are the kind of people who can make homophobic jokes at work to make friends with straight co-workers. the kind of people who get high-fives after verbally abusing someone openly gay or trans. the kind of trans women who, (if white) gets promotions for looking like Everyone Else

and here’s an accompanying list of how to have Straight privilege as a nonbinary person:

  • you literally can’t wtf
  • straightness as a concept literally is incompatible with nonbinary identities
  • It’s Adam and Eve not two gender neutral names
  • when the fuck have you heard a third option in ‘”marriage is between a man and a woman”
  • an AFAB nonbinary and a dude is a fundamentally non-straight couple
  • an AMAB nonbinary and a woman is a non-straight couple
  • an AMAB nonbinary and an AFAB nonbinary couple is, do i have to say it, not straight
  • whatever they call their relationship, they’re the opposite of straight
  • even if they’re completely cis passing
  • i swear to god some of you people are trying to categorise Straight people as literally any couple with one peen and one vageen
  • if you don’t know how to categorise sexual attraction without erasing someone’s gender identity then u should probably have a time out with all the other transphobes
  • i can’t believe i have to tell you this because bi people have been saying this for literally decades but: having PIV sex isn’t the thing that magically bestows straight privilege upon someone. being straight is an identity and a position of privilege and nothing as simple as an action
  • straight privilege doesn’t land on anyone who doesn’t identify strictly as straight, or as strictly a man or a woman
  • literally how did we get this far that i need to write a refresher course on this. how did we let this become controversial

basically, remember Straight isn’t just the opposite of being gay. Straight is the opposite of being gay, lesbian, bi, pan, ply, trans, nonbinary, queer, ace, aro. Straight is the opposite of every marginalised gender/sexual identity. that’s why they’re marginalised, as in pushed to the margins in favour of Straightness as the default, the one identity allowed to be normal.