Tag: discourse

transkrem:

spiroandthelacktones:

breastforce:

“Why is the Ace flag on the tumblr logo but not the lesbian flag”

The Lesbian Flag’s first known usage as an all-purpose lesbian flag was in October 2015 by a pride-flags-for-us blog, which took the design from the Lipstick Lesbian flag made in 2010. The flag isn’t even universally accepted among the lesbian community let alone made its way into most mainstream LGBT spaces. 

(The Ace Flag, by comparison, was made in 2010.)

Also generally the rainbow flag historically has meant homosexual whether that be gay or lesbian, and yeah the lesbian flag that you see floating around is an unofficial flag made by taking the lips off the lipstick lesbian flag and is not a universal symbol especially if you look outside Tumblr it’s actually a hard flag to find anywhere

Not that the lesbian flag SHOULDN’T be more recognized…..it just isn’t yet. There was no conscious exclusion happening because the rainbow was meant to cover lesbians.

clitcheese:

i’m at least 500% more cisphobic around exclusionists

if your existence hasn’t ever been declared dead weight by most of the “lgbt” community then like honestly your opinions about the necessity of exclusionism… are superfluous

i’m at least 500% more cisphobic around exclusionists

the movement to treat h*m*sexual as a slur (censored bc this is an open question and i don’t want to alienate the people I’m asking for opinions) is really surreal because like, i was a few years too young to see the shift from transsexual to transgender happen and i didn’t think i’d actually start to see another shift like that

and like. i already don’t really use the term generally because it’s icky to a lot of people, and gay will work as a replacement the vast majority of the time. but i have so many questions about how it’s meant to work?

are bisexual and pansexual also slurs? if so, do the abbreviations bi and pan have to change, or is it just when the sexual suffix is used?

if it’s the h*m* prefix, what about h*m*phobia? It doesn’t make any sense to censor our oppression, any more than censoring the words patriarchy or racism. so does it need to be renamed gayphobia or something similar? which i honestly think has way too much inertia to ever change: it’s such a basic word that even your layman straight person knows it, in a way that biphobia and transphobia haven’t reached. even if it’s just to say ‘how dare you call me that, i am a perfect ally’. treating it as a slur on the same level as d*ke or something means reeducating pretty much every straight person on the planet if we want a replacement term to catch on, and telling straight people not to use slurs hasn’t worked out for us so far

transkrem:

spiroandthelacktones:

breastforce:

“Why is the Ace flag on the tumblr logo but not the lesbian flag”

The Lesbian Flag’s first known usage as an all-purpose lesbian flag was in October 2015 by a pride-flags-for-us blog, which took the design from the Lipstick Lesbian flag made in 2010. The flag isn’t even universally accepted among the lesbian community let alone made its way into most mainstream LGBT spaces. 

(The Ace Flag, by comparison, was made in 2010.)

Also generally the rainbow flag historically has meant homosexual whether that be gay or lesbian, and yeah the lesbian flag that you see floating around is an unofficial flag made by taking the lips off the lipstick lesbian flag and is not a universal symbol especially if you look outside Tumblr it’s actually a hard flag to find anywhere

Not that the lesbian flag SHOULDN’T be more recognized…..it just isn’t yet. There was no conscious exclusion happening because the rainbow was meant to cover lesbians.

aprilslady:

bihets:

bullgod1997:

bihets:

my problem with the whole ‘mogai hell’ thing is the faux-caring attitude people employ when they talk about it. like they’ll talk about how the ‘mogai community’ is damaging to questioning gay people, or lesbians, or bi people, because it might convince them they’re, like, ‘abroromantic sapphoaesthetic womasexual’ instead of just being a lesbian.

so they’re worried that mogai might cause young lgb people to have internalized homophobia. ok. but then, how do they approach these young people who are identifying as whatever identity they’ve determined is ‘mogai hell’ today? do they show these young people understanding or compassion?

no. they screenshot their blogs to make fun of them, they participate in ‘cringe culture’, they make troll blogs where they jokingly adopt these ‘mogai hell’ identities, and they make frequent mean-spirited jokes about ‘cringey’ 14 year olds calling themselves autochorissexual. so they clearly don’t actually care about young people with internalized homophobia, or they wouldn’t be loudly mocking them like this. they just want to bully people. it’s concern trolling at its finest, and it’s pretty transparent.

I know I just reblogged this but something about it didn’t sit right and now I know what it is.

For some people labels are important. Some people need general labels and some people need more specific microlabels. Both of these are fine and completely valid.

But when people start mocking “mogai hell” not only is that being a piece of shit masquerading as worry about how mogai might cause internalised homophobia, it’s also taking the piss out of lesser known identities.

oh absolutely! my intention wasn’t to say that all mogai identities cause internalized homophobia, but that if that’s what these ‘anti mogai’ discoursers genuinely believed, they’d be showing people with ‘mogai identities’ compassion rather than just bullying them and calling them cringey.

but yeah, what you said is also absolutely true. for a lot of people, having a very specific term to describe your identity is extremely important! so when discoursers automatically default to making fun of someone for using a specific label, they’re hurting those people as well. it’s all just super gross overall tbh

I think the other important point is that these kids clearly don’t feel connected to other straight people and they’re looking for a safe space to figure out their identities that’s away from heteronormativity and by making fun of them we make the LGBT+ community a hostile place. Mocking microlabels makes me very uncomfortable as someone who considered several while I was trying to untangle exactly how I was attracted to people as well as who I was attracted to, and I was lucky to have a friend who was questioning as well who I could talk things through with but not everyone has that support, and they try and find it online. And they’re not getting it because people pull some crap because they feel that because their own internalised homophobia led to them using these microlabels that they are bad and evil for everyone. Which is counterproductive because like you said, if someone has internalised homophobia or transphobia then they need a safe space to figure out themselves rather than people being like ‘Here’s 500 screenshots I’ve put on a blog behind your back where I mock the labels you’re currently using’. Which is made worse when you consider a lot of the people using those labels are younger people, or possibly just people with less experience of questioning themselves who pick the first thing that feels right to them.