the argument that heterosexual aro boys are like….inherently more misogynistic than non-aro hetero boys makes me pretty uncomfortable, especially because it seems to be predicated on the notion that being romantically attracted to someone entails a greater level of respect for them and you can’t respect someone unless you’re romantically attracted to them. which is……….. Bad
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Tag: discourse
Old cranky tired lesbian on the aro/ace spectrums here to say:
If you’re gonna pull that “heteroromantic asexual/aromantic heterosexual people don’t belong in LGBT+ spaces!!” bullshit, you can just walk on out. Unfollow me. Block me! Go ahead. I don’t care.
Or, you can stay a moment and listen.
I’m fine with people having more specific spaces. Lesbian spaces, trans spaces, bi spaces–ace spaces! All good. I am fine with, say, heteroromantic aces not being in lesbian-only spaces. (Are there lesbian-only spaces?)
But the general LGBT+ community? No. Hell no. You are ignoring over a century of history because you do not understand how someone else’s mind and heart works. Trust me when I say we are in this together. Trust me when I say that heteromantic aces and aro heterosexual people are not seen as straight by straight people.
“Straight” is a definition of exclusion. Full stop. The history of “overlap” between trans and queer people also includes overlap with asexuals. Going back literally decades.
I get that a lot of people on this site are teenagers and may not be aware of that stuff, so fine. Go read up on the history. Listen to people. Learn from people.
Stop the aphobia. Educate yourself. Stop trying to throw out people who’ve literally always been here.
And for fuck’s sake, stop using “the discourse” just please stop it’s not funny.
“gay party bottom twink hooker” –> “homo-frayromantic homo-ampheto-fraysexual demi-binary non-boy”
i mean, right? this checks out? btw “amphetosexual” is a neuro-sexuality i just coined, where one’s sense of sexuality is inextricably tied with being a crystal meth addict. i’ve stopped going to AA because it’s conversion therapy for me as an amphetosexual. i hope i can count on your support as i journey into mogai micro-identities.
What the actual hell is wrong with you fucks. Why the *hell* do you think conversion therapy jokes are funny in ANY context? Like. What the actual hell. -mod karkles
ummmmm it’s not a joke? twelve step recovery is conversion therapy for ampheto-sexuals like myself. why do you hate neuro-sexualities? why are you being so ableist toward neurodivergent people? do you hate addicts or what???
Dude. You’re existence is a joke. You literally exist on this blog to mock people. I don’t hate neurodivergent people. I don’t hate neuro-sexualities. I’m not the one fucking mocking them.
@diskhorsedudes gem im dyin. I got called ableist for callin out someone for mocking the idea of conversion therapy
hey gay mentally ill alcoholic here, what the actual fuck you demon? just don’t talk about mental illness ever again if this is the shit that’s going to fall out of your mouth
hey, tweaker faggot here, and no. i’m not the one tacitly admitting that “ampheto-sexual” is a valid “neuro-sexuality” lmao
yeah no? no one gives a shit about your bad joke, but you’re attacking the very fucking basic idea that someone’s mental illness can affect their sexuality. and your awful conversion therapy joke? it’s bad. you have no reason to joke about that, and you laughing at someone bringing up ableism? do you honest to god think you’re funny,relevant, interesting? let people call their sexuality whatever they fucking want, you don’t need to become the living embodiment of family guy humour over it
so hold up, am i allowed to call myself an ampheto-sexual or not
and, if i am, if it’s perfectly fine to define my sexuality as “meth addict,” then how is calling Crystal Meth Anonymous “conversion therapy” out of line? because, if we go by the ace community’s (wrong) definition of “conversion therapy,” then 12 step recovery is literally ableist conversion therapy for anyone who falls on the addict-sexual spectrum!
if you think i’m making fun of the idea that mental illness can inform a person’s experience of sexuality, allow me to clarify: being a meth addict, an alcoholic, (and also HIV+) are all inextricably tied to my self-conception as a gay man. but that doesn’t make me “ampheto-sexual” lmao, i’m still just gay. i’m making fun of your politics, not your experiences.
did u just say the conversion therapy joke again? that’s your response when people tell you to stop making fun of people’s sexualities? thanks south park this has been real fun
and, my politics not my experiences? do you think my politics is making microlabels because they’re cool? or do you think maybe my politics is letting people define themselves however they like without deserving ridicule? because no one decides how to define them but themselves? people are making microlabels when they feel they need to describe something that there isn’t a word for yet, and I don’t see what’s wrong with people fucking describing themselves. do you really think people are coming up with microlabels to piss you off or something? i still remember how it feels to come out and hear someone tell me i must be fucking delusional, how do you forget that? how do you keep making these jokes to make people doubt their own damn sexuality and gender and still think you’re fucking revolutionary
“gay party bottom twink hooker” –> “homo-frayromantic homo-ampheto-fraysexual demi-binary non-boy”
i mean, right? this checks out? btw “amphetosexual” is a neuro-sexuality i just coined, where one’s sense of sexuality is inextricably tied with being a crystal meth addict. i’ve stopped going to AA because it’s conversion therapy for me as an amphetosexual. i hope i can count on your support as i journey into mogai micro-identities.
What the actual hell is wrong with you fucks. Why the *hell* do you think conversion therapy jokes are funny in ANY context? Like. What the actual hell. -mod karkles
ummmmm it’s not a joke? twelve step recovery is conversion therapy for ampheto-sexuals like myself. why do you hate neuro-sexualities? why are you being so ableist toward neurodivergent people? do you hate addicts or what???
Dude. You’re existence is a joke. You literally exist on this blog to mock people. I don’t hate neurodivergent people. I don’t hate neuro-sexualities. I’m not the one fucking mocking them.
@diskhorsedudes gem im dyin. I got called ableist for callin out someone for mocking the idea of conversion therapy
hey gay mentally ill alcoholic here, what the actual fuck you demon? just don’t talk about mental illness ever again if this is the shit that’s going to fall out of your mouth
hey, tweaker faggot here, and no. i’m not the one tacitly admitting that “ampheto-sexual” is a valid “neuro-sexuality” lmao
yeah no? no one gives a shit about your bad joke, but you’re attacking the very fucking basic idea that someone’s mental illness can affect their sexuality. and your awful conversion therapy joke? it’s bad. you have no reason to joke about that, and you laughing at someone bringing up ableism? do you honest to god think you’re funny,relevant, interesting? let people call their sexuality whatever they fucking want, you don’t need to become the living embodiment of family guy humour over it
transmed voice: I have never once considered psychology as a discipline to be anything but completely Objective. If something is listed as a mental illness, then it is! I’ve never heard of the word “pathologisation” in my life and I don’t have enough historical knowledge to understand how science and academia can be tools against marginalised people. I’ve never heard about how women masturbating and black people wanting to escape slavery have also been classified as mental illnesses, or i’m naive enough to think that the systems that once enabled this have changed or dissapeared.
i also just hate trans people who scrape enough self-esteem together to not hate their body, and will fight against trans positivity at every turn 🙂 This is what I Objectively think as a Fellow Trans, and i’m going to avoid thinking about how every thing i say benefits TERFs and other people who will send me to conversion camp the second they get the chance 🙂
i’m also a conservative or libertarian leaning trans guy under the age of 21
sorry if me Stating the Facts offends you sweaty :’)
Yeah and black cats are bad luck and witches were hung. Times have changed with scientific evidence.
thanks but i’ve already got “i’m naive enough to think that the systems that enabled this have changed or dissapeared”
“gay party bottom twink hooker” –> “homo-frayromantic homo-ampheto-fraysexual demi-binary non-boy”
i mean, right? this checks out? btw “amphetosexual” is a neuro-sexuality i just coined, where one’s sense of sexuality is inextricably tied with being a crystal meth addict. i’ve stopped going to AA because it’s conversion therapy for me as an amphetosexual. i hope i can count on your support as i journey into mogai micro-identities.
What the actual hell is wrong with you fucks. Why the *hell* do you think conversion therapy jokes are funny in ANY context? Like. What the actual hell. -mod karkles
ummmmm it’s not a joke? twelve step recovery is conversion therapy for ampheto-sexuals like myself. why do you hate neuro-sexualities? why are you being so ableist toward neurodivergent people? do you hate addicts or what???
Dude. You’re existence is a joke. You literally exist on this blog to mock people. I don’t hate neurodivergent people. I don’t hate neuro-sexualities. I’m not the one fucking mocking them.
@diskhorsedudes gem im dyin. I got called ableist for callin out someone for mocking the idea of conversion therapy
hey gay mentally ill alcoholic here, what the actual fuck you demon? just don’t talk about mental illness ever again if this is the shit that’s going to fall out of your mouth
“mogai tumblr made it hard to figure out my gender/sexuality when first coming out”
consider: You don’t have to have a vendetta against queers with the “weird” genders and sexualities, especially teenagers, because you used to consider yourself one of them
also consider: the answer to “my identity was hard to figure out” is not to make it harder for other people. erasing other people’s identities will not make your own more visible. MOGAI people actually quite often find it helpful to have words for their identities, like yourself, and everyone else in the world
also consider: your anger is misdirected. heteronormativity hurt you several billion times more than the split attraction model ever could. No one who IDs as frostgender has the social capital to gaslight and coerce children from birth into a gender. straight and cis people are 100% to blame for the shame we’re made to feel for our identities and placing blame on young queers achieves nothing but furthering that shame. there is no good political goal that can be achieved by bullying mogais you nasty fucks
I’m just frustrated because of how much these people set me back. Even now, I constantly doubt myself because “What if the only reason I feel this way is because I’m still confused?” Things would have been so much easier if I would have been properly taught the relations between gender and sex from the beginning instead of being fed the bullshit that this community fed me. Heteronormativity has not hurt me. This community has. I’m not trying to make it harder for anyone. In fact, I’m just trying to spread the truth so they don’t have to be so confused and frustrated for longer than they have to.
“Heteronormativity has not hurt me. This community has” thanks, anti-sjw and transmedicalist guy, count me enlightened. wait are you saying cishet culture has taught you better about sex and gender than ‘this community’ has?
Actually, no. It was a bunch of transgender people, believe it or not. Trans people who actually know what they’re talking about. But seriously. I didn’t even know the proper definition of transgender until I stepped out of the stupid bubble of that community and accepted facts. I’d suggest doing some research yourself :).
the definition of us being all mentally ill, thanks. Do you think, however, that definition serves people who dismiss us and want to fix the trans out of us, a lot more than it serves us, trans people? like i’m pretty cool where I am, and that’s not actively shooting myself in the foot, or letting cis people define me, thanks
Do white ppl realize that when they defend their use of crytyping “jokes” on the basis that they were originally used by PoC/black ppl to call out racism, they’re only making it clear they’re racist as as hell in addition to ableist?
Like piss off taking things from PoC dealing with racism to mock people whenever you feel like it for any crappy reason, including PoC, including nd PoC who are telling you to stop your ableist bullshit.
And like this mess had dip whom many many of the anti-ace/aro crowd supported harassing people into breakdowns, who would then accuse these people of being manipulative and/or make fun of them for it, and her many (often white) supporters would join in or loudly condone it, I pretty clearly remember that. So when you say “it’s just mocking people who’re being manipulative and faking and who deserve being mocked”, excuse me for not believing you all are the best judges of that. That you don’t care about the many nd ppl and good number of nd PoC who are telling you they’re being hurt by this, when ppl are using it for crapcourse overall and stuff that’s definitely not calling out racism, is already telling.
Anyway if you’re white you have 500% no place touching those “jokes” piss off racist ableist scum
you know you can have a tag for #reclaimed words or #reclaimed slurs as like a general catch-all tag
you don’t need to pick out #Q slur specifically, and if you do that but leave words like dyke untagged, you’re an asshole. what you’re doing is performing how much you dislike the word and people who use it.
especially because if the Word Itself is in the post, it will be blacklisted. you only need to tag it in case it’s misspelled in the post, so blacklisting programs still pick it up. That’s it. All your #Q slur tag is doing is cataloguing all the times you performed outrage at the word.
“mogai tumblr made it hard to figure out my gender/sexuality when first coming out”
consider: You don’t have to have a vendetta against queers with the “weird” genders and sexualities, especially teenagers, because you used to consider yourself one of them
also consider: the answer to “my identity was hard to figure out” is not to make it harder for other people. erasing other people’s identities will not make your own more visible. MOGAI people actually quite often find it helpful to have words for their identities, like yourself, and everyone else in the world
also consider: your anger is misdirected. heteronormativity hurt you several billion times more than the split attraction model ever could. No one who IDs as frostgender has the social capital to gaslight and coerce children from birth into a gender. straight and cis people are 100% to blame for the shame we’re made to feel for our identities and placing blame on young queers achieves nothing but furthering that shame. there is no good political goal that can be achieved by bullying mogais you nasty fucks
I’m just frustrated because of how much these people set me back. Even now, I constantly doubt myself because “What if the only reason I feel this way is because I’m still confused?” Things would have been so much easier if I would have been properly taught the relations between gender and sex from the beginning instead of being fed the bullshit that this community fed me. Heteronormativity has not hurt me. This community has. I’m not trying to make it harder for anyone. In fact, I’m just trying to spread the truth so they don’t have to be so confused and frustrated for longer than they have to.
“Heteronormativity has not hurt me. This community has” thanks, anti-sjw and transmedicalist guy, count me enlightened. wait are you saying cishet culture has taught you better about sex and gender than ‘this community’ has?
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