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What’s with this rhetoric that “it’s always just been LGBT” that’s cropping up?
I’ve seen “LGB” and “LG” with my own damn eyes, I remember the goddamn bi-discourse that still goddamn crops up, I remember reading old articles about whether or not the coalition should include them, you’re trying to convince me that I just hallucinated that shit? And they have the gall to claim I’M the one doing historical revisionism here?
More to the point, how the hell do you think a full coalition can just spring up out of the ground fully formed like that before the concept of Bisexuality as a distinct identity was even codified? Anyone who claims otherwise are either misled or actively lying about the issue to preserve the illusion that LGBT is this immutable concept that emerged from the collective subconscious fully formed and it disregards all the hard work it took people to build the coalition into what it is currently. It’s not only historically inaccurate, that’s just plain not how shit works.
Like that’s right up there with “they don’t belong because they aren’t inherently LGBT” as if it isn’t an artificial coalition. Weak-ass arguments intended to sidestep the ACTUAL matter at hand.
Wasn’t it earlier this year they were talking about dropping the T? Again?!
They wanna Drop the T because they think Republicans are using our Identity Politics as ammunition against the Oberfell thing or something.
They stand on the Shoulders of Marsha P. Johnson to get this far only for them to cut us off from the larger community when we ask for Help. We ‘Inconvenience’ them and they cut us off. And they white wash away the Footprints they made on our shoulders.
I keep seeing this ridiculous idea that LGBT as an acronym sprung up because of Stonewall, so that anyone who says the T wasn’t always there can be accused of erasing the trans women at the event. it’s 3 separate decades of history they’re compressing into a soundbite.
if you believe ace lesbians hold a privilege over non-ace lesbians then you need to put that opinion in your bio or something so no one interacts w you on the mistaken assumption that you’ve ever come down to reality for a split second in your life, thanks
hey imagine those ‘i love my trans son’ t shirts but with the word daughter written on them maybe. even a gender neutral trans child shirt omg
socially progressive and economically conservative is so wild it’s like, “i don’t want people to die because they’re poor, poc, lgbti, or disabled. just that i don’t understand that they need resources to survive”
or like. let’s tackle oppression! but not the kinds of oppression that keeps people in a never ending cycle of poverty, that’s a bit extremist 
Y’all coming in here with “I think The Brain gay and Sue Ellen pan” like inclusivity is great but these kids are ten that’s unrealistic. At that age I didn’t even know where my dick was let alone who I wanna use it on
hey that’s real fuckin neato YOU KNOW WHAT’S INTERESTING THOUGH is how for some totally strange reason, no one bats a gd eye at all the hetero relationships between children in cartoons or makes those relationships unnecessarily sexual AND YET as soon as you talk about the possibility of fictional kids being gay, suddenly it’s “i didn’t know who i wanted to use my dick on when i was ten” or “why are you sexualising children??”
REAL INTERESTING how kid characters can be straight and can explore straight relationships (with adult encouragement, mind you), while the very concept of a gay kid character is “unrealistic” and invites needless comments about sex
it’s almost as if folks think heterosexuality is natural and pure and kid-safe whereas being gay is something inherently dirty and sexual or inappropriate…… hm….. makes u think………………
i zeriously don’t give a shit if you’re lesbian and say that you’re penis-repulsed or that you never want to have penetrative sex like obviously these are very very personal things and you have every right to dictate where your personal limits lie with regards to intimacy and sex.
like for REAL there are trans women who are penis-repulsed, who don’t want their own penis touched sexually at all (due to dysphoria or otherwise), who don’t want to have sex at all, who don’t want to have penetrative sex (receiving or giving), And of course there are also trans women who DO want all of these things…
(And there are trans women with a penis who are unable to penetrate or maintain an erection due to HRT or orchiectomy or otherwise, And there are trans women With A Fully Functioning Vagina That Is Physically Indistinguishable From An Average Cis Woman’s Vagina, but i digress…)but the PROBLEM lies in the fact that people view trans women as a monolith! The problem lies in the fact that people assume that trans women are all just the same as the stereotype that you have built up in your minds! The stereotype of trans women as: a deceptive predatory sexually voracious straight man who will do anything to have sex with cis lesbians!
It’s not a problem for you to have your personal boundaries regarding intimacy and sex! What is a problem is when you have a malicious ideology against trans women and place your personal boundaries into this rubric. There is nothing forcing you to do that. There is nothing forcing you to apply malicious misinformation and stereotypes to trans women. There is nothing forcing you to call transgender women male, or men, or trannies, or transmale, or male-to-trans, or transwomen, (as a distinct and separate category from “Real” cis women!!) it is cruel and bigoted and transmisogynist for you to do these things.
However I will never concede the fact that stereotypes influence how you perceive people! And as a corollary to this fact, I can certainly say that there is transmisogyny among cis people. There IS a major phenomenon of straight men, lesbians, and bi/pan people, of any gender, viewing trans women as disgusting and ugly and undateable and To Be Avoided DUE TO STEREOTYPES AGAINST TRANS WOMEN.
This is not simply an issue that has regards to dating, obviously, it is something that informs all social interactions that other people have with trans women.
And, before you twefs jump in with “not being dated isn’t oppression!” I am going to pre-empt you and state that this is a similar issue to how straight women are homophobic towards bisexual men and avoid them and refrain from socializing with them or dating them, this is a similar issue to how white women and men are racist towards black men and avoid them and refrain from socializing with them or dating them.
Not equating these issues, just pointing out that social avoidance IS a part of interpersonal oppression against marginalized groups.My position is that stereotypes and social norms inform behavior towards trans women and you have to take responsibility for how your bigoted rhetoric impacts the people it’s leveled against.
Bi and straight radfems are allllllways talking about how disgusting trans women are and it generally seems that they don’t even have any trans women as friends let alone date them, and I can’t help but beg the question: You don’t actually truly view us as men, do you? In fact, to you, we must be something different than men because you treat us terribly different than you treat men. You treat us much worse than you treat men, which is a major failure of your supposedly self-identified man-hating agenda. Get good, frankly.
Another pre-emptive statement before someone makes an ugly and unnecessary comment: I’m engaged and have been monogamous for 7 years so this is literally not a weird ideological quest for romantic contact for me, regardless of how so-called radical feminists might twist my words.
i want to create a tv show about a group of friends where they’re all queer except the one token cishet friend who’s only there to say stereotypical “straight” things for laughs like “macklemore got me into rap” and “my mom and i got into a fight because she wouldn’t buy me a fourth obey snapback”
Or we could just stop stereotyping people.
you’re cast
If lumping people in with their oppressors is forbidden, then you cannot use LGBT, as it lumps us trans people in with cisgender people, it lumps women in with men, etc.
Maybe learn how intersectionality, demographics, and just plain fucking language work before making such awful arguments for the sake of discourse
It’s also literally a terf argument (they used to say it about the word cis), so…there’s that
Every damn time someone tries to articulate a form of discrimination that specifically effects one group, someone who does not experience that
form of discrimination will get so pissed about the idea of having any privilege at all that they’ll throw a huge fit going ‘YOU ARE GROUPING ME IN WITH MY OPPRESSORS’. No I’m not. I’m naming one form of oppression you do not have to deal with today. Get over it.
Though to be honest, this problem is likely to remain as long as identity politics remains so loaded with this weird sort of ‘self esteem based on my identity + love of all people in my identity + hatred of all people with privilege over me’, which makes the idea of being the privileged party so scary that people freak out at the thought of having any privilege at all.
And the thing is, this is deliberate. It is a way in which liberal identity politics keeps us boxed in, focussing only on our own group at the expense of people we have more in common with. So if our group is trans people, liberal identity politics has us rooting for rich powerful trans people but not for the cis disabled man next door, even though that guy has experiences of oppression that are a lot closer to ours.
Intersectionality stops us from being totally single-issue focussed and helps us do very necessary work focussing more on subgroups of subgroups. Which is useful but not enough. Alongside intersextionality we need cross-identity Solidarity. And the first thing we need to understand is that when we’re fighting the systems of oppression, we need to group ourselves in with those with a different kind of oppression than us, based on a common desire to not be oppressed.
Today some aphobic anon send me a message that literally, seriously, had the sentence ‘cishets are the enemy’ in it, and if that doesn’t show you how far away from solidarity you can get when you take identity politics to its individualist conclusion, I don’t know what does.
How is this even a debate??
If you are in a otherwise healthy relationship and consensually having sex with your partner and then your partner finds out you’re not actually sexually attracted to them that can be SO damaging to your partner. There is no excuse to not be honest about this with your partner. Like you are literally causing your partner harm, and why??? What for??? There’s no valid reason to do this??? Just be honest with the person your in a relationship with, this is not a new concept???
damn I’ve never heard this discourse before. imo I think people should say they’re ace before engaging in sexual activities b/c ace ppl often have different boundaries and communication is healthy, but i can’t offer you any real evidence on the subject, I’m sorry! thanks for bringing this to my attention
god i just love it when people act like they can speak for every conceivable relationship to ever exist ever. i love it when people act like the idea of being closeted/fearful to come out is a concept that doesn’t pertain to aspec people. i love it when people try to portray an orientation as specifically damaging. god it just makes my day ya know?
maybe people stay in the closet because of exactly shit like this, saying an ace partner is “literally causing them harm”, doing intense psychological damage to their partners, and just generally this idea that aces are going out of their way to trap people in unfulfilling relationships, and this idea that a partner coming out as ace is inherently this value statement that their partner must be unattractive and unlovable.
i’m all for healthy communication, but saying that people should feel offended if their partner comes out to them is really clearly the opposite of that
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