bisexualbertmccracken:

Yknow one of the worst possible things people say is “if they ID as queer than they fit under some other LGBT category so they shouldnt use queer they should use that other thing instead” like it just shows a extreme lack of understanding why people ID as queer and it makes me wanna go back to IDing as only queer just to spite people who say stuff like that

if anyone wants to argue about that last post and thinks all these radfem oppression dynamics are actually reasonable, and not completely detached from reality, be warned i didn’t mention Motherhood privilege yet, this is not a fight you can win

herefortheace:

Reminder that people in this mess have over and over attempted to erase ace and aro PoC from our communities, declaring all or almost all aces/aros white and privileged in every way, because that would be more convenient for their ‘arguments’ about how we’re all horrible and have oppression fantasies born from a lack of Real Problems in our lives.

Reminder that ppl have loved telling aces/aros of color upset about this and other racist shit to be quiet, and called us ‘tokens’ and generally been nasty to us to shut us up, or just randomly assumed we’re white even when it was perfectly clear and easy to find we’re not. Bc we’re ace/aro and won’t let them shit on us

Reminder that white ppl who loathe aces and aros will frequently try to exploit the pain of PoC by acting as though racism is an ace/aro thing, and as though white aces/aros (or even ace+aro PoC) are more racist and have more white privilege than them and ppl they like.

Reminder ppl in this mess who hate aces and aros continue to give zero shits about how sexualizing aces/aros hurts ace and aro PoC and adds to racism we experience

terfmeanslesbian:

clitcheese:

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf

what does any of this have to do with trans politics….why are they “”“terfs”“”

because, incidentally, the book is written by terfs? here’s her other wordpress articles, ‘trans women are men, and therefore have the mentality of rapists’ and ‘trans men are self-hating women’ lol? i’m calling her a terf because i have basic reading comprehension. 

but i didn’t even talk about trans politics here. i was talking about how fundamentally warped some of your theorists are. here are some quotes, and here’s the whole book online as blog posts. Chapter 3 deals with the spectre of ex-het lesbians, part 2 of chapter 4 deals with how femme lesbians ‘recreate patriarchy’ in their gender expression, and honestly do you agree with any of this shit? have other radfems ever mentioned this book is flawed? that it only serves to make a hierarchy of lesbians? i was under the impression this woman is a pretty influential radfem, do you agree with these theories? lmao do you get that even if trans people didn’t exist, your brand of feminism would still be a reductive pile of shit?

take all the Us Versus the Horrible Transsexuals out of your theories and you’re left with just this kind of holier than thou Gold Star bullshit. honestly god help the self esteem of all the lesbians who get sucked into your politics. you’re left with this radical version of biology where men are biologically evil, where a penis has such a powerful aura that it will discount a woman’s ability to be a lesbian for her entire life. isn’t this straight up the kind of phallocentrism your ideology is meant to be against? because this system focuses on ‘never-het’ women as the most authentic lesbians, who embody a more ‘pure’ version of lesbianhood and womanhood and therefore should earn a privileged space at the centre of lesbian politics, compared to the ‘corrupted’ version of feminsm embodied by lesbians who have ever thought they were straight. “ Once a female has had the experience of being treated as and feeling like a “real woman,” she never loses it.” It’s also written in the book’s introduction also explicitly states that she considers straight and bisexual women to be interchangeable, equally privileged members of an oppressive class of ‘man-lovers’.

You see what this is right? it’s the virgin/slut dichotomy ripped straight from the patriarchy, with no alteration. Touching a dick once in your life apparently lessens the value of your perspective, immediately makes your intentions as a lesbian and even a feminist suspect. it treats patriarchy not as a set of learned ideas and behaviours, but as some kind of permanent, lifelong stain on women’s souls. the author states outright that ‘het privilege’ can never be unlearned. you get that this is lesbophobic, right? just basically, you’re erasing the sexuality of lesbians who come out later in life, outright making them into privileged oppressors? the author likens this to a fucking invasion of lesbian spaces:

 ’They [Lesbians who have ever dated men] also bring STDs, danger from past husbands or boyfriends stalking them, and dildos and other sado-masochistic sexual practices’,

which are, after all, based on the inequalities and pain in heterosexual/male sex.

this comes from a long passage about how ‘ex-hets’ tend to be more abusive and even less loving than Real Lesbians, caused entirely by past association with men. caused by past what kind of broken ethics system do you need to look through to think this is worth publishing? and, holy shit, i didn’t even start on ‘the patriarchal and oppressive nature of femme lesbians’ because i’ve got no idea where to start there

Statements that are literally TERF rhetoric that I’ve seen inclusionists say

lilycourse:

clitcheese:

lilycourse:

  • trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
  • straight trans people can call themselves gay
  • trans men can call themselves lesbians
  • cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
  • aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
  • defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus

hey could you provide urls and screenshots so i know who to block? and so i can spread it around so other trans inclusionists know who to block. otherwise this post is completely useless at stopping this behaviour

except for the 1st and 4th points, which i think are misunderstandings. of basic stuff like trans people saying that we had to fight for a letter in the acronym, which is really gross to say that our recent history is terf rhetoric. point 4, trans people are frustrated that some cis people are misusing the word cishet to imply that they don’t also benefit from cis privilege. which is again, really dishonest to say that trans people are using terf rhetoric if you’re cis

Right, I plan on getting around to making screenshots sometime, but it’ll take a while, because this was just an informal list of bad behavior I’ve seen from inclusionists, and it should hopefully stop some of the transphobia going around.

I always interpreted the first point as trans people didn’t always participate in the community and became participants in the community later on, not this letter-adding stuff, and that is wrong, because bi trans women of color helped start the community.

The fourth point, the cis in both cishet and cis aroace is so that we can acknowledge straight trans people don’t oppress us, and we can acknowledge we oppress trans people on that axis. We’re probably going to have to agree to disagree on that point.

oh yeah this is sleepdontvisit’s version of history. trans women of colour started the movement, and then nothing political happened afterwards, of course. nothing like TERFs, or respectability politics spending a few decades distancing the gay community from trans people. we’re not saying trans people weren’t always there, but we’re acknowledging that some parts of the community actively fought against trans people being there. denying that the T is a relatively recent addition to the acronym only erases the work we had to do against respectability politics.

also, Stonewall happened long before the term bisexual caught on. bisexuals were always there as lesbian and gay, because they only referred to kinds of relationships before they meant political identities. they had to persuade people to include the B, to signify that they still belonged when terminology shifted.

Statements that are literally TERF rhetoric that I’ve seen inclusionists say

lilycourse:

  • trans people were added in later in the LGBT movement
  • straight trans people can call themselves gay
  • trans men can call themselves lesbians
  • cis lgbp should quit using the word cis in cishet and cis aroace, even though by doing so, you’d implicitly be kicking out trans/nb people
  • aces have a greater right to LGBT spaces than trans people do, because asexuality is a sexuality and trans isn’t
  • defending TERFs from meanies who want them run over by a bus

hey could you provide urls and screenshots so i know who to block? and so i can spread it around so other trans inclusionists know who to block. otherwise this post is completely useless at stopping this behaviour

except for the 1st and 4th points, which i think are misunderstandings. of basic stuff like trans people saying that we had to fight for a letter in the acronym, which is really gross to say that our recent history is terf rhetoric. point 4, trans people are frustrated that some cis people are misusing the word cishet to imply that they don’t also benefit from cis privilege. which is again, really dishonest to say that trans people are using terf rhetoric if you’re cis

i was researching to find citations for my post connecting the history of radical feminism to biphobia but then i found a terf book – Dykes loving dykes by Bev Jo, 1990, and like

ex-het privilege. Ex-het privilege. As in, if you’re a lesbian who ever mistakenly IDed as straight, you hold privilege over lesbians who never went through that. she honest to god claims that gay victims of coercive heteronormativity, hold a fucking privilege for doing so. The idea goes that lesbians can get ‘accustomed’ to straight privilege, and never truly want to give it up

tfw when you’re such a disgustingly biphobic gold star that you claim that like 90% of other lesbians oppress you

the book goes on to talk about a related oppression: most ex-hets are also femmes, who oppress butches by bringing patriarchically-constructed femininity into lesbian spaces. there’s really a chapter on Fem privilege. she writes that being butch is literally the Only way to live authentically as a lesbian.

it straight up compares femmes to the spectre of trans women ‘invading’ women’s spaces, bc femmes and trans women are both fucking slaves to the patriarchy itself apparently

this whole thing is so amazingly lesbophobic wtf? she’s saying that she’s one of the few lesbians in the whole world entirely untouched by patriarchy, and nearly every other lesbian is a fucking Fake. you can just write about your own superiority complex over other women and that’s fucking Radical apparently

i need to lie down for like a week wtf