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I thought I had made it clear that I think ace (asexual and aromantic and everyone within that spectrum) are queer and they belong in the QUILTBAG community and Pride.
If I’ve ever given the impression that they aren’t or that I’m not for inclusion, then it was a mistake.

 cishets aren’t queer. bye

So I went to your “about” and 

• Acephobia does not exist as a system of oppression.

….sure thing buddy

aphobia isnt a form of systematic oppression. that’s literally just a fact.

ace discrimination does exist. but systematic oppression? nope!

gotta disagree with you on that one, as doctors and psychologists considered asexuality to be a mental illness until recently, and many of them still do. If you don’t consider doctors saying that your orientation is a disease to be systemic oppression then I don’t know what to tell you 

Friendly reminder that user the-ace-community is cis and perisex and thinks kicking TERFs out of LGBT+ spaces is lesbophobic and also thinks intersex people aren’t LGBT+ and don’t belong (here’s why that’s wrong). 

This is what we mean when we say cis “exclusionists” need to stop using the term “cishets” in the discourse. Cis people aren’t your oppressors, as cis people tend to you frequently side with transphobia, and overall you need to stop acting like you get to decide whether cis people are safe, you need to stop saying “cishets are invading” like cis people are your problem too.

Like the whole keysmash acronym shit (ex “LGBTKISD(@$SDLK++”) was literally invented by cishets who think there’s only straight and gay, nothing else, not even trans or intersex. It’s frequently used by TERFs and anti-sj, even truscum. Cis gays aren’t being sneaky at all about their REAL intentions when they insist on doing this same fucking thing. 

(Not that all discourse isn’t already recycled TERF/anti-sj/cishet bullshit, this is just another example of it.)

Also QUILTBAG+ has been in use since before tumblr existed and its purpose was to make the acronym more accessible iirc, and I’d primarily seen mspec and nonbinary people using it.

And U for Undecided is meant the same as Q for Questioning, it’s not something radically new and about “choosing to be LGBT+”. Also “choice” politics are shit so let’s avoid them.

Also just because it was changed recently doesn’t mean it isn’t still viewed as a disease and the fact that the change is “unless they’re ok with it then they’re asexual” doesn’t really de-pathologize it, because it’s ignoring the fact society at large tells them there’s something wrong with them. This also is hilarious to assert considering all the discoursers on this post think teaching about asexuality is bad. So how are they supposed to wind up as being okay with it if you constantly assert it’s not okay, if you refuse to give them the words and concepts that let them know it’s okay?

Also homo/queerphobia isn’t over because we have more marital rights so how does “well they fixed this one thing so acephobia isn’t a problem anymore” make any sense.

QUILTBAG? MOGAI? Queer? actual words the human tongue can make mid-conversation? absolute rubbish. we need el-gee-bee-tee-pee-en. there’s a 6 syllable minimum

Queer is a slur not everyone wants to reclaim. Some black people don’t want to be called nigga, some lgbt members don’t want to be called queer.

Acronyms are meant to be spelled out – NAACP for example – because they stand for something.

If you just say lgbt, people will know what you mean. Quiltbag is already a thing – like an actual quilted bag – and may cause confusion. Just a MOGAI sounds like it’s a whole different language.

quiltbag is used as an adjective as in ‘quiltbag people’ so it’s actually really difficult to consfuse with the noun

and u Literally don’t have a complaint w MOGAI other than u not personally liking the sound so. i’m gonna use it now thanks

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Hey guys remember when people started ace discourse on a post about the gay pride flag that was honoring the creator, who had just died? Because I sure as hell do.

Didn’t they say it was divisive since aces bi and trans people weren’t community members yet even though the flag was made in 1978 when both bi and trans people were already in the community and aces aren’t lgbt for being ace???

1978

LGB was the most popular acronym less than ten years ago in Australia. idk about anywhere else, but, dear god cis exclusionists and the “alliance of SGA and Trans” shit like this still isn’t a functional alliance by any standards. it’s 2017 and i still have to give a trans 101 any time i enter predominantly gay LGBT spaces

idk about when exactly bisexuality even became a term or made it into the acronym but I’ve got a strong suspicion 1978s a fucking stretch to say their inclusion was in any way agreed upon by then

like… the flag doesn’t cover everyone. it’s good shorthand but it’s not an umbrella. even lesbians get a separate flag this isn’t even new

I’m trans obviously the flag made by an American, and our community in america has been trans inclusive since the 60s. Why don’t you do a little research. And isn’t you country so massively homophobic that gay people literally started a country while also being literally 15 times smaller in population??? Lesbians and bi people have there own flags because gay men were very dominant in the community early on and they wanted representation

that micronation is made up of one dude on an island? we also have the Hutt River province, another kingdom made up by a guy as a tax loophole, with a population of him and his wife, it’s ? micronations dude they aren’t real. you guys literally have Texas trying to cecede again and half your other states bending over backwards to criminalise gay marriage? we’re run by conservatives here but so far they aren’t bad enough to actually spout nazi propaganda so? god maybe both our countries are homophobic? maybe?

the 60’s. Trans wasn’t a word yet by the 60s, we were called transvestites back then, and called ourselves “full time” to distinguish ourselves from “part time"crossdressers.

The 60’s was the decade before TERFism became a thing, who caused quite a few years when there wasn’t a T. The ‘70s and ‘80s was when 2nd wave feminism was at it’s peak and TERFism was the most mainstream feminism there was. There was no trans acceptance in the community at this time unless you were okay with misgendering yourself, trans women had to call ourselves gay men and trans men only got acceptance if they called themselves butch lesbians. terfs are still saying we all should go back to before the T was in the acronym so when the fuck did that happen, the ‘50s? 20 years before terf ideologies existed?

the 80s is when​ we had to reclaim the word queer exactly because there was no trans acceptance or T in the acronym in any use by then

so the flag is for gay men? it’s settled it’s not an umbrella. and, if you want a flag that represents a community that trans people have never been removed from and one that has any reason to exclude aces, you should make that flag yourself and give it a name because that community sure doesn’t exist yet.

I was saying why lesbians and bi people have and deserve flags the rainbow flag is for everyone but it’s important to remember that cis white gay men robbed the movement from trans WOC almost as soon as the rioting was said and done, and that the flag was created years later, though the op and my reply were both about ace inclusionists not necessarily about trans women, the flag isn’t perfect and neither is the community and to this day it’s still mostly cis white gays predominantly, however with such a limited history and our near irradication in the 1980s the rainbow flag is a milestone for lgbt people but that doesn’t mean it’s perfect

yeah i’m correcting your misinfo why else would i be talking about trans rights here….

remember when we used more than four letters in the acronym or did that Legit not ever happen in the US? no pluses? not even the I or the Q? because, idk? where did they go

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young asexual, making jokes abt their lack of attraction for the first time and using some weird/cringey/gross language: haha sex is gross and i don’t understand those ppl who feel sexual attraction lol

aphobes: this is literally the most homophobic thing i’ve ever seen and i hope you kill yourself op

Ace minors are trying to make themselves feel better about their own sexuality, and in the process they don’t think about how they could come off. Like, they say “lmao sex is gross” when they mean “I get grossed out by the idea of me having sex”, or like “do allos think about sex all the time” when they want to talk about how hypersexual our culture is, espcially when they’re sensitive to it. They wind up saying some despicably gross things, absolutely. They should be educated; they aren’t coming from a place of malice (usually)! If we give them the language and knowledge to express themselves without accidentally throwing other people under the bus, most of them will jump on the opportunity

this is a very valuable addition thank you!

This is very often the case with so many things, especially this though. Minors should be educated, not harassed or dragged recklessly for their language when it’s an honest misstep. Education can go a long way, and as mentioned, it’s usually not coming from an inherently offensive or malice motive, they just might not know better.